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I should have learned by now that there can be no reasoning with male marriage martyrs on FR that bad divorce outcomes also happen to a sizeable enough number of women to blunt the idea that women are the evil sex when it comes to marriage, sex and divorce.

For instance, the stat that women file for divorce 75% of the time reveals nothing on its face. It may be that more men than women are content to have a girlfriend or a drug habit and still think they can stay married, but more women find this intolerable — just as men would if women were the larger proportion of habitual cheaters or substance abusers, but so far they’re not. The millenials may change all this; but my point is not to win an argument here with statistics, many of which are interpreted in ways that manipulate or fail to illuminate the deeper circumstances.

My overall point is that divorce is a nasty business and not all the bad outcomes are attributable to one sex. Both sexes make critical mistakes in setting up and participating in marriages.

We inherited Christian values and time-honored courtship rituals from England when the country was founded, and did not stray far from them until the 1960s and the so-called Sexual Revolution and feminist revolution, which are components of the worldwide atheist/communist revolution underway for the past 100 years. Those rituals differed only slightly from one economic bracket to another.

What is different post-60s is the legalized practice of casual sexual involvement that many participants then try to morph into a longer-term commitment or marriage, often with a period of cohabitation in between. This pattern is different than past generations’ courtship rituals in which birth control was not freely available or even legal in many states. Vrginity was not merely an expectation but a test of maturity based on fear of social disgrace. The environment pre-60s was still heavily influenced by religious morality and many economic and family-oriented social expectations. Uncommitted sex and extramarital sex were social evils, not just personal failiings.


143 posted on 03/23/2018 12:39:47 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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To: Albion Wilde
For instance, the stat that women file for divorce 75% of the time reveals nothing on its face.

The rest of your paragraph was true 50, 100, 200 years ago when the divorce rates were roughly 50/50. The only thing that's changed then is that the courts now strongly favor women in all things in divorce and the few times it rules for men they have to be able to spend a fortune and usually prove their wife is a bad wife (which, short of catching her on camera with another dude or snorting coke, can be almost impossible). The amount of anecdotals of women running off with other men is simply mind-blowing. The pastor of the largest church in town (~15k members) recently had to have an entire service on it and said he was going to (jokingly) ban women from getting personal trainers because so many had left their husbands for them (and they get the kids + alimony).

I should have learned by now that there can be no reasoning with male marriage martyrs on FR that bad divorce outcomes also happen to a sizeable enough number of women to blunt the idea that women are the evil sex when it comes to marriage, sex and divorce.

Straw man argument alert! I already said it happens both ways. The question is relative frequency. Every divorce statistic is MASSIVELY skewed against men. Most of the truly jack-ass men that women (rightfully) whine about today stay single because the sex is easy to get and you have far less legal risks and you can usually see them coming a mile away. Unfortunately, many women are attracted to the "bad boys."

145 posted on 03/23/2018 1:02:41 PM PDT by rb22982
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