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Nobody is shredding civil rights here.

Wrong. In this country, it is not legal to write regulations with force of law that are in conflict with said law. Donald Trump has ordered that that be done. If Obama had ordered that, we'd be melting down over it, but suddenly now it's ok that an R did it? Donald Trump is not entitled to my loyalty or support. He receives those when he does as he should, and gets the opposite when he does, well, what he's doing now.

School shootings like we’ve been seeing have never been like this.

Wrong.

Armed guards, conceal carry...fine.

I'll agree to it. The current FL law that does this is worded so that it will not be done in one single school district in the entire state.

Raising the age limit to purchase certain guns seems reasonable.

No. There are two serious problems with this. First of all, you have to define "certain guns." This is a way to slip a legal definition of the made up term "assault weapons" back into federal law. No way that could ever screw anything up, right? Second, raising the age means that we, as a society, now say that at 18 you can be drafted against your will and force to fight, kill, and die for your country. I'll let you figure out what's wrong with that.

Also, mental health data base... and I am well aware of the 2nd amendment and your arguments.

Well apparently not, because the way you cavalierly dismiss the danger suggests you either don't understand the seriousness of that danger, or you just don't care. There is already a mechanism in place to have a person adjudicated mentally defective, which enters them as a prohibited person in NICS. Beyond that...who defines "mentally ill?" Because if you let the government define that, the government will define mentally ill as "everyone who wants to buy a gun" or "all persons who are against granting special privileges for trans people" or "people who go to churches that teach the gospel of Jesus Christ." Or maybe we will just sayong anyone who ever took an anti-depressant in the past, regardless of whether it was prescribed for depression or not, is now a prohibited person. Or maybe we will declare people who go to a psychologist for marriage counseling to be mentally ill prohibited persons. I'm sure there's no chance people would just stop going to their doctors if something like that were to happen, right?

In point of fact, the recently enacted Florida law lists as one of its conditions to issue an emergency order to confiscate someone's firearms, without due process, is if someone has purchased firearms or ammunition recently. I wonder how that's going to work out in liberal jurisdictions where the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs think all gun owners are crazy, or think like BLM does and believes that the NRA is a, and I quote, "terrorist organization."

I am also aware there may be issues with the police department and Obama’s promise program.

The problems there are obvious and are the proximate cause of the government's failure in this matter. Nothing will be done about now, however, because King Trump has decided gun control is the answer. The answer, in his world, is to write and enforce laws against people who committed no crime that would not have stopped the event that started this slide into stupidity.

Trump’s plan is sensible.

Trump's plan is a massive "read my lips, no new taxes" screw up that's going to cost him. Trump's plan is to ignore the law and rule by fiat like Obama did. Trump's plan to ban bump stocks will lead directly to banning all semi autos period once he figures out that you can bump fire a semi auto with no special bump stock at all. Hopefully he spends all his time on Twitter and not youtube.

This is all about shredding civil rights and ignoring the rule of law, top to bottom. And I'm going to tell you this straight up. If my fellow conservatives are OK with throwing some of my concerns under the bus, I'm very quickly going to find out that I'm OK with doing the same right back. Ban bump stocks? In that case, the bakery has to bake the cake whether they like it or not. Raise the age to 21 for 'certain firearms?' Then Hobby Lobby had better provide health insurance that covers those morning after pills. Raise taxes on firearms and ammunition? Raise taxes on the "rich". Institute waiting periods on firearms purchases? We'll pass some hate speech codes then, since we don't want anyone's feelings hurt. Ban standard capacity firearm magazines? Maybe we will just legalize all drugs.

I am not playing around on this. I have fought for this cause for too long to have it pissed away by people who are too hard headed to understand the important details of the matter.

I have faithfully fought for all conservative causes my entire life, not just the 2A because I believe in them. Throw my 2A cause under the bus when it gets convenient for you and you are quickly going to find yourself short on allies, and the only thing those who care about the 2A need to do to make all that horrible stuff I posted above happen is...nothing.

So go ahead and crap on gun owners. We'll go fishing on election day and then we all get to take the ride, and not just some of us.

If that seems harsh, it's because it's a product of the harsh times we live in. I don't want to do this. I will if Trump and pro-gun control quasi-conservatives force the issue.

We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately. --Benjamin Franklin.

I much prefer that we hang together.