[reasonisfaith]

Filthy lies:

“What I did not do is stop these programs wholesale — not only because I felt that they made us more secure, but also because nothing in that initial review, and nothing that I have learned since, indicated that our intelligence community has sought to violate the law or is cavalier about the civil liberties of their fellow citizens.”

[Cboldt]

I recently, as in yesterday, grabbed a pair of OIG reports on "President's surveillance Program." some 50 Mb in size, 750 pages more or less. Reaches back to 9/11 and what was referred to as Terrorist Surveillance Program (TSP) for public presentation. Google search for oig psp will give plenty of links.

The report admits wholesale surveillance of US persons and locations without a warrant.

The way I figure it, the mind set is that until snooping results in arrest and detention, no civil liberty has been violated. IOW, "right to privacy" is not a civil liberty.