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| a little elbow grease
Posted on 12/17/2017 5:14:29 PM PST by a little elbow grease
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To: sargon
The NFL doesn't even know how to interpret its own rules. That was a touchdown. There was a clear catch, then a football movethe receiver extending his arm so as to break the plane of the goalreseulting in a touchdown. Just a horrible callabsolutely horrible...
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Danke
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posted on
12/18/2017 12:54:53 AM PST
by
a little elbow grease
(I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
To: RossA
Some suggestions for The NBA. 1. Remove the nets, then teams can argue if the shot went through the hoop ala NFL arguments about a legal catch.
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ROFL
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posted on
12/18/2017 12:57:57 AM PST
by
a little elbow grease
(I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
To: Gen-X-Dad
As a Cowboys fan, I know a lot about the lawyer dissection of a catch. Another reason why the NFL play is causing the sport to lose interest with the fans. Games come down to paragraph descriptions, multiple replays, and endless ref flags wrapped around commercials.
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posted on
12/18/2017 12:59:06 AM PST
by
a little elbow grease
(I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
To: ScottfromNJ
He technically became a runner when he made his football move by stretching for the goal line.
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I tend to want to believe that.
TD in my book.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:00:21 AM PST
by
a little elbow grease
(I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
To: a little elbow grease; Gen-X-Dad
>As a Cowboys fan, I know a lot about the lawyer dissection of a catch. Another reason why the NFL play is causing the sport to lose interest with the fans. Games come down to paragraph descriptions, multiple replays, and endless ref flags wrapped around commercials.<
>>true<<
(me) Does that mean you won't be supporting the NFL next year by watching the games?
To: Pearls Before Swine
If he had been running towards the goal line with possession of the football, he would have had possession, and the play would have ended when the ball crossed the plane.
“A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.”
Here, the player did not complete the catch and establish possession, even though the ball was in the end-zone. Had possession been established, with any portion of the ball in-bounds in the end-zone, it would have been a TD in either case you cite - but only one of your scenarios fits that.
This is not a new rule. The “new” part of the rule, is that if fully controlled through the catch, not using the ground to control the catch, and not bobbling the ball at or after the ball’s contact with the ground, that the ball is more recently allowed to touch the ground.
The play was not a catch under either the new or the old form of the rules, and as such can’t be a TD.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:17:19 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Oldeconomybuyer
It’s not a catch until he completes the catch. If he’s going to the ground, that includes the player hitting the ground and maintaining control for a few moments afterwards.
He’s not down until he is touched while on the ground or on the ground after being touched on his way to the ground.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:22:07 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: ohioman
I can’t say about Peewee football, but it isn’t a catch in College either.
The difference in college is that if he’d held onto it, he’d have been down where the ball was when his knee touched, and in the NFL he has to be touched while on the ground or on the way to the ground.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:24:17 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Doogle
Depends on whether he had established possession prior to touching the pylon. If he had it, it’s a TD. If he didn’t have possession, it’s not a TD unless he holds on after he hits the ground. If he lost control before or while crossing the plane, he also has to come down in-bounds.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:28:16 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: sparklite2
It was never completely true that the ground couldn’t cause a fumble. A player who is not touched, but falls to ground and loses possession of the ball has fumbled - but otherwise, yes, the ground can’t cause a fumble.
Regardless, this wasn’t a fumble - since he never established possession within the longstanding rules of the game.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:33:47 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Bryan24
When you are falling/diving on the catch, you MUST maintain possession all the way through the catch/roll/contact with the ground. He didnt. That rule was changed a few years ago. Dez Bryant of Dallas had a near identical type of play a few years ago.
Actually, that rule was in place for a long time. They just changed some wording after the Dez Bryant play, affecting portions that weren't a factor in this play, like defining "football move".
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:38:35 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Sparky1776
It undoubtedly was under-inflated. All of them were.
At 41F, starting at 72F, that would be a loss of pressure of 1.55 PSI, plus whatever additional effect of evaporative cooling. First learned and demonstrated in 1702.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:52:28 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: ScottfromNJ
stretch forward for a football move, That term has a definition, and stretching forward does not fulfill it.
break the plane with control
But not possession, which is what is required. Control is just one feature required to establish possession - in this case it must be maintained briefly after the receiver hits the ground. That much has been the rule for at least half a century.
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posted on
12/18/2017 1:56:08 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: a little elbow grease
possession of the ball as a player crosses the goal line is DIFFERENT FOR a runner and a receiver. No.
It is different for a player that has already established and has possession and crosses the goal line, and one who has not already established possession and crosses or is beyond the goal line.
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posted on
12/18/2017 2:04:18 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: lepton
It is different for a player that has already established and has possession and crosses the goal line, and one who has not already established possession and crosses or is beyond the goal line.
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Now that that is completely clear ....... may I have the injection now, Doctor?
;-)
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posted on
12/18/2017 3:04:04 AM PST
by
a little elbow grease
(I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.)
To: a little elbow grease
It sure ass hell looked like a catch to me....if there was justice the Pats would insist the results be corrected!!!
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posted on
12/18/2017 4:44:47 AM PST
by
ontap
To: a little elbow grease
I have to agree that the rule is stupid.
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posted on
12/18/2017 4:54:38 AM PST
by
Sgt_Schultze
(When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
To: a little elbow grease; dfwgator; Impy
Same call that went against Calvin Johnson (Lions) against the Bears.
Referees need more time studying these...specifically.
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posted on
12/18/2017 4:57:40 AM PST
by
Cletus.D.Yokel
(Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
To: calenel
Correct. I didn’t specify that earlier. The ball clearly came loose when he hit the ground.
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posted on
12/18/2017 5:03:49 AM PST
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
To: a little elbow grease
The Kneelers were not supposed to win. The Ref’s made sure of that. The NFL has to stay relevant. Like fake news, like fake N Felon L.
I dont watch because it is so fake.
FUNFL
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posted on
12/18/2017 5:06:54 AM PST
by
VastRWCon
(LARGE PRINT GIVE IT, small print take it away.)
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