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To: Nifster
Neither RAD nor alcoholism are ephemeral philosophical constructs.

BOTH are hard facts full of measurable features, factors, pain, reality.

It's hard to understand what you are calling mere 'philosophizing.'

Our comments arise--in part--out of working a year at an alcohol treatment facility in an internship--in part to hold intense groups with an AA co-leader. The facility was founded by the retired head who ran the Navy's alcohol treatment center--having founded that, if my housemate recalls correctly.

Certainly we have seen many hundreds of alcoholics in our lifetimes.

The part RAD plays in ALL addictions is well known. We don't understand your aversion to those facts.

51 posted on 12/13/2017 5:05:25 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

To be clearer—the 100’s of alcoholics we’ve met &/or observed were out of the 5,000+ people we came across in our teaching, church attendance, counseling and other social contacts.


52 posted on 12/13/2017 5:08:18 AM PST by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

Working at a treatment facility gives zero idea of what it is like to be an alcoholic

It is one of the few things that I say if you aren’t one there is no possible way you can understand


53 posted on 12/13/2017 5:50:26 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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