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To: Chainmail; Slyfox; the OlLine Rebel; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; imardmd1; metmom; ...
So exactly how many new followers to Christ does your message bring? Are you even interested in winning over the lost to Christ? I'll tell you a little story: in 1988 I was a United Nations Truce Supervisor in the Sinai. We had 14 American, 13 French, and 15 Soviet officers in our unit and our duties put us out on outpost at six different sites from el Arish to St, Catherine's at the south end of the Sinai. We'd spend a week on out post at a time we usually ended up with one Soviet as a partner for that week (we preferred the French because they were better cooks). The Soviets were well-indoctrinated Communists or they wouldn't have been picked to be with us "enemies" and they would almost always launch into atheist monologues before we got everything unpacked for the week. I would carefully and politely discuss my believer's point of view coupled with discussions about the mathematical difficulty of accepting the idea that everything in existence was a result of random chance. Over several of these discussions, we got to discussing Christ and Christianity and the stark difference between faith and disbelief. A Greek Catholic priest buddy of mine got me a stash of Russian-Language Bibles to pass to them (which was hazardous for them, since we had a KGB Resident on the team who was closely watching them). After several months of these discussions, one by one seven of the 15 privately asked me to help them and their families get baptized. I am the Godfather of several Russian children (which is a little unique for a Marine Officer). I didn't insist that they become Roman Catholics - I only cared that they find their way to Our Lord. We don't gather the flock for Jesus by yelling at everyone: we call them as our Savior and his disciples did.

Sorry I missed this story, and thank you for your service to this country, but what you described is simply not opposed to substantive pointed debates here with militant Catholics here, while being able to have congenial relationships with reasonable ones in person.

You engaged in debate with militant atheists to a degree, which affirms debate is sanctioned, if with the right spirit, and if it was with members of a group who were likewise devout and contentious that submission to their one true elitist church ensured salvation and was required of you, then if were not one of them you would debate them. Yet which need not mean you cannot have good friendships with them, at least in person, and who may be allies when it comes to political moral issues. Which hs been my experience.

You may allow debate btwn militant atheists and a Catholic, but would you not do so with a evangelizing Mormon? And if so, then were do you draw the line?

A couple weeks ago on a different forum RedLegHunter and I were debating a "evangelical" who insisted born again Christians no longer sin (though they can "trespass" against others), and who continued with his assertions though clearly substantively and reasonably refuted more than once, by the grace of God. Should we have ignored him? Others are watching, and this thread could be found on Google searches, so no.

Likewise when members of a group advertise, promote or contend for their church, especially as traditionalist, which teaches their church is uniquely the one true one, and damns those who persistently resist her elitist claims, including that a proper ritual, even without personal repentant faith, makes one actually good enough to be with God, and thus the same usually need to become so after death thru purifying torments, and do not even consider Prot churches worth of the proper name "church," then are we who hold that God purifies the heart by personal repentant faith, and reject ( Catholic distinctives not seen in the inspired record of the NT church ) to keep silent, and let others be deceived?

Would I expect Catholics (if not agree with all they say) to not debate Mormonic claims to be the unique one true church.

A rhetorical question, and thus the issue is the manner of debate. While we don't gather the flock for Jesus by yelling at everyone, yet neither can we call everyone brethren who profess they call the Lord Jesus their Savior and his disciples did. Mormons or typical Catholics included, for even by the first century we had "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:13-14).

178 posted on 11/17/2017 6:30:51 AM PST by daniel1212 (rust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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To: daniel1212; Slyfox; the OlLine Rebel; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; imardmd1; metmom; ...
Thank you for your warm response about my service - 27 years in uniform!

I think we miss an important chance for our Lord when we let pride determine who and how we should spread the Gospel. I believe that we are charged to spread the Gospel to everyone to get them into that first contact with Jesus and get their faith going.

I am, as I have mentioned before, I life-long Catholic and very happy with my faith. But I also believe that attacking or annoying other persons of Christian faith is wrong and counterproductive. At this point in time, I am very happy to have Protestant compatriots who love Jesus and live their faith. If I can get a nonbeliever to is not open to the Catholic Church to become a good Baptist or a Methodist or a Presbyterian, then we have another fine Christian on the way to Heaven.

I am a descendant of no less than the Mathers of New England and the German Dunkers of the Palatinate - so the Christian faith in all its form has blessed my family.

I don't debate with anyone unless it's friendly and if they are fellow Christians I will never attack your path to Christ. Would I love to have everybody come to Mass and the Sacraments with me? Absolutely. But I'll never consider myself a better Christian than you are.

182 posted on 11/17/2017 8:04:42 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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