Posted on 11/06/2017 7:44:52 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
Actually, having chicken pox as a child is how you get shingles as an adult. Once you have chicken pox, the virus remains in your nerves forever. The shingles vaccine is supposed to boost your immune system to decrease the chance that the virus can reactivate.
Having chicken pox was no fun. Neither was shingles.
For example, I have had the full series of Hep B vaccinations. I never developed antibodies. I can get Hep B just as easily as someone who has never been vaccinated.
Another example: My friend's son contracted measles even though fully vaccinated. Evidently, he never responded with antibodies when vaccinated.
Wow, no confidence in your vaccination? How sad...
I have plenty of confidence in my decisions.
I have zero confidence in yours.
Go ahead, feel free to leave your children unprotected against lethal communicable diseases.
Bring your kids around mine and I’ll treat both them and you like the threat you are.
Is that clear enough or do I need to explain things further?
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Something to not look forward too, I only had Mumps on one side.
You suffer from cognitive dissonance. You say you are conservative and for small government and freedom, yet would force others to go against conscience because your faith is in big brother. None of my children have been vaccinated, and we have a very big family. God protects us. When they have been sick, God heals us. My older kids have travelled to 3 continents and been in the jungle, competing in sports, traveling, and preaching the Gospel. My younger ones are following in their older siblings footsteps. I am truly sorry that fear grips you. How did your grandparents and great grandparents survive?
Bring it, you fearful little scum. We got plenty for you. We will pray first, though
“Bring it, you fearful little scum.”
You have no clue.
None.
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My grandfather lived into his mid-80s, had it twice.
It was polio.
Sorry. 14 hour days and not enough coffee lead to bad FREEPING
The problem was that not one case of mumps was found to be in an unvaxed person. Not one.
The first pass was that it was in all unvaxed kids (we are in the Chiropratic center of the world here in Eastern Iowa, so that is a reasonable first guess). However, they didn’t find a single case. They traced it to a 4 year old girl at a local preschool, but were not able to trace it back from there. Her family hadn’t traveled out of the area in that time, and had no unusual exposure.
So we had 8 kids with mumps, all in a population of under 50, all in a cluster around the preschool and elementary school in my town. All had current vaccinations. That is well beyond the expected failure rate of vaccines. It is (if I remember right) about three times more than the expected failure rate. And there were no cases of unvaxed people with the mumps in the area. Possible that the exposure was in a transit point (gas station, Walmart, etc), but again they didn’t find the source of the first little girl getting it. Even among the illegal alien population.
I grew up on a farm. We knew, studied, and lived vaccinations. Dad kept very careful records of sick animals, and if he saw a cluster like this it would be a cause for revisiting the vaccine. Or a worry that some other bug just got into the population.
That is a big red flag that some thing is wrong. Now one theory, that makes a bit of sense, is that there was a bad batch of vaccine. This would explain some of the cluster, but there were kids older than the index cases that got it, and not one of the older people (parents, grandparents, etc.)
Prairie dogs have it.
I have family out west. Killing the furry little plague rats is a big deal.
Kind of fun with a rifle that shoots 400 yards too.
Grandpa always told use to NEVER pick up a pdog.
But most don’t.
After 9/11, my father, now in his 70’s was put on a list of first responders because he did have the vaccine.
I asked for it, and they didn’t have any at the time (might be better now).
They had it. They just didn’t want you to have it. The Soviets had weaponized Smallpox.
Probably true. Though at the time, they were pretty careful on who got it.
I do wonder if I could get it now.
Nope. I don’t think they want to advertise that they have been replicating the virus.
So everyone is supposed to put themselves and/or their children at risk of vaccine side effects to protect complete strangers. Do you take blood pressure medication to prevent someone else from getting high blood pressure? One should only have to take vaccines/medications to benefit themselves. Sorry, but I don’t care about the ‘herd’.
It could be Fergie's comeback song.
Given that mumps can be spread before symptoms appear, the incubation time is usually 16 to 18 days (range: 12 to 25 days), and four year old girls aren't very likely to be able to describe a situation where they might have been exposed, the index case had plenty of chances to catch it. It could have been in a store, where she touched something that had been touched by a transient traveler who stopped in the store earlier.
On average, the mumps vaccine is 88% effective after two doses. However, it is only 78% effective after one dose. Children are not given a second dose until between ages 4 and 6. Thus, on average, 22% of the children at the day care would have been susceptible. But, probability being what it is, more or fewer children could have caught the disease without that being any indicator of some alteration in the virus.
According to the CDC, there was an outbreak in Iowa in 2015-16, in which over a hundred college students came down with mumps. Perhaps one of those students stopped in your town before becoming symptomatic.
It would be interesting to see a phylogenetic analysis of the virus from the outbreak in your town and the college outbreak. Actually, those analyses can give a very detailed picture of the spread of the virus between communities, even if the actual person who transmitted the virus cannot be located.
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