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To: Haiku Guy
...good thing...

Well I see you're changing the subject away from non-existent agreements to a new straw man. It is neither a good nor a bad thing. It is simply the nature of reality. Do you think that the customer should be able to set the terms of an agreement with the utility? I'm sure the BLM crew would set the terms so that they got power for free because they's owed. If she doesn't like that deal she can pay the opt out charge. Frankly I don't care what sort of meter I have. There are thousands of things in life more worthy of attention than that. Some old crackpot worrying about a smart meter is sort of on the fringe of nutty.

If she wants to worry about something let her worry about the fact that your smart phone can tell Verizon or T-mo or AT&T where you are every day. Or better still let her worry about the "mind control rays" that the cable company uses from their set top boxes, after all that's the next step on the ladder from eccentric to neurotic to psychotic

37 posted on 10/31/2017 6:36:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
Well I see you're changing the subject away from non-existent agreements to a new straw man. It is neither a good nor a bad thing. It is simply the nature of reality. Do you think that the customer should be able to set the terms of an agreement with the utility? I'm sure the BLM crew would set the terms so that they got power for free because they's owed. If she doesn't like that deal she can pay the opt out charge. Frankly I don't care what sort of meter I have. There are thousands of things in life more worthy of attention than that. Some old crackpot worrying about a smart meter is sort of on the fringe of nutty.

If she wants to worry about something let her worry about the fact that your smart phone can tell Verizon or T-mo or AT&T where you are every day. Or better still let her worry about the "mind control rays" that the cable company uses from their set top boxes, after all that's the next step on the ladder from eccentric to neurotic to psychotic

I am not changing arguments. My argument, all along, is that the utility dictates, much like Darth Vader, and the ratepayer has to take it, no matter what the utility decides to do.

To my mind, it would be better if the utility were to negotiate with the ratepayer. If the utility is going to realize savings, they ratepayer should get a piece of that. If the utility is strongly motivated, why shouldn't the ratepayer be compensated for accepting the new arrangement?

Note that I can make such an argument without being gratuitously insulting. I don't have to call anybody a crackpot or fringe nutty. I don't have to posit that anybody is neurotic or psychotic, or that think they are being zapped by mind control rays.

If you are going to post that I am engaging in specious arguments, you probably shouldn't lead with "Whoever disagrees with me must be insane".

48 posted on 10/31/2017 7:34:49 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: from occupied ga; Haiku Guy
This leads to Britain's way of life. Auguring for the utility company and their rules does over step privacy. My Pen-Pal in England tells me she is watched on how much electric,water and oil she uses. Big Brother dictates her usage. This is exactly how it starts. Well no, it stated with a new thermostat if she updated her furnace. The new thermostat encourages being on a schedule to lower your heat when your sleep or when you working. I had to get help by freepers here to tell me how to set my thermostat last month without being on a schedule. I'm retired and here most of the time like millions of other Baby Boomers.

I'd be willing to stick my neck out and say ..this woman like several other people and family members...they only have landlines thinking its more private.


55 posted on 10/31/2017 7:58:39 AM PDT by STARLIT (Draining the Swamp includes Cleaning out the Sewer Rats.)
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