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Jarrett is cross-examining Carrizal. Carrizal said he cannot agree that the Cossacks are a gang. 3:57 PM - 7 Nov 2017

Jarrett is asking about patches. Carrizal said any group can wear a patch to support the Bandidos. 4:01 PM - 7 Nov 2017

Carrizal said police officers are excluded from being a Bandido. He said police are hard to trust because of how they profile bikers. 4:03 PM - 7 Nov 2017

130 posted on 11/07/2017 2:03:23 PM PST by Elderberry
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He said he got out of Rocha because he became too involved in the activities of the group. He said he had to take a break. 4:04 PM - 7 Nov 2017

When he became a Bandido, he was just as active as before but he was ready for the commitment at that time. 4:06 PM - 7 Nov 2017

Jarrett asked about the term out bad, meaning to leave the group on bad terms. 4:08 PM - 7 Nov 2017

Carrizal said the term is not used that much anymore, saying if someone leaves the Bandidos they are just out, not good or bad necessarily. 4:09 PM - 7 Nov 2017

He said there are reasons why it is good to be a Bandido, including being part of a family and being around people who care about you. 4:11 PM - 7 Nov 2017

He said the Bandidos reputation has kept them out of trouble strictly because of that reputation. 4:12 PM - 7 Nov 2017

Jarrett said outlaw groups have toy runs to mask the other bad acts they do. 4:13 PM - 7 Nov 2017

"How many toy runs does it take to make up for the deaths of nine people?" Jarrett asked.4:14 PM - 7 Nov 2017

Carrizal said he doesn't blame Bandidos or cops for Twin Peaks. He blames the Cossacks. 4:15 PM - 7 Nov 2017

He said the Cossacks were not there to attend the COC meeting. His group was and if the Cossacks had not been there, they would have just had a meeting and gone home. 4:16 PM - 7 Nov 2017

131 posted on 11/07/2017 2:18:48 PM PST by Elderberry
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