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To: vladimir998

Batteries are heavy eh?

Fuel weight, based on 6.7 lbs per gallon:

747-200B, 361,700 lbs.
DC-10-10, 178,534 lbs.
DC-10-30, 254,700 lbs.
A300B4-200,108,020 lbs.
A300B4-600, 118,390 lbs.
A310-202, 94,800 lbs.
757-200, 78,658 lbs.
767-200, 104,252 lbs.
767-300, 127,300 lbs.
707-320B, 159,898 lbs.
727-200, 70.920 lbs.
737-200, 34,572 lbs.
737-300, 35,912 lbs.
DC-8-55, 156,733 lbs.
DC-8-73, 162,643 lbs.
L-1011-1, 159,560 lbs.
L-1011-200, 178,360 lbs.
L-1011-500, 213,640 lbs.
DC-9-10, 24,273 lbs.
DC-9-50, 28,596 lbs.
DC9-80, 38,725 lbs.


57 posted on 09/28/2017 7:32:59 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: bigbob

Don’t go getting all practical now, we’re getting our collective crank on about anything that didn’t exist in our heyday.


59 posted on 09/28/2017 7:34:23 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bigbob

You have only done half of your homework. See #45 for the other half.


60 posted on 09/28/2017 7:37:07 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: bigbob

Let’s just say a typical small airliner carries 40,000 pounds of fuel. That’s 18143695 grams. A 18650 Li-Ion cell like those used in the Tesla S weighs 45 grams, to that’s 403,193 cells and a single cell contains 10 watt-hours of energy. So that’s a tad over 4 million watt-hours of energy available for a flight.

A 747 uses about that much energy (90MW for 5 minutes = 4.5MWH) just to get off the ground. But that’s with over 10 times as much fuel weight and an airframe that is 4 times heavier. It is reasonable to expect that a small airliner using modern composite materials and design could be made that would require a small fraction of the 4.5 MWH it takes to lift a 747 off the ground. Let’s say it still takes 1 million watt-hours (which seems quite high) - that leaves 3 MWH of energy for the cruise portion of the flight and landing (where relatively little energy is required).

Li-Ion battery technology improves literally on a daily basis, with an average reduction in weight of 8% per year for the past 5 years for the same energy density. An electric airliner will be feasible once battery technology and airframe design evolve sufficiently. It is a matter of when, not if.


64 posted on 09/28/2017 7:59:53 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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