Note: this topic is from 8/24/2017. Thanks BenLurkin . And kudos to PIF for pointing out that this isn't a Babylonian artifact, it's a Sumerian artifact.
Posted on 08/24/2017 7:42:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin
The Religion of Peace, of course. Those wacky Muslims. Just burning up all the written works of civilization that the Egyptians wouldn’t do.
Thanks, Allah. Another find job by your peaceful ravages.
This is something that used to be taught in schools and still should be taught, but you know that it isn’t. It is why we much older folks clearly understand the danger and poison of Islam while the brainwashed younger folks are oblivious to it. They don’t teach anything negative about Islam anymore, which means there isn’t much to teach about it except forcing kids to learn the Koran.
By the 80s when I was in high school the lie thatIslam preserved knowledge was already everywhere. It spread out from Pro-Islamic university departments and Muslim Brotherhood allied organizations alike and had been pushed for years before then in various circles.
With one word, “Islamophobia”, Muslims have been able to graft their advances on top of the left till at last with the arrival of Obama the DNC proper has basically become an organization split between cultural Marxist sheep and Islamist toadies.
There’s a new book out, The Worldwide Flood: Uncovering and Correcting the Most Profound Error in the History of Science, that mentions Gobekli Tepe as well as other civilizations that were lost to the flood.
I suggest that you get the book - it makes clear that geology is responsible for misunderstanding our past. Book is available at Amazon.
Correct.
Looked at the Book Blurb on Amazon. However, I have no idea what geology has to do with History here. His case is weak that geology is the cause. It apparently regurgitates well known physical findings on submerged coastlines and so on. But has nothing that is not better presented elsewhere.
There still is no real proof that there was a worldwide flood, but, given the time frame and the amount of Ice and the rapid melting, there is no doubt that there was a flood, but the ultimate cause is more concerning than the event itself - but actually proof is not there yet - beliefs yes, theories yes, facts no. The Bible says it was rain. But that is just a local observation. What caused the rain is more important and could that cause be repeated again? More and more evidence points to a double comet strike. each separated by 1000 years.
Most all current views of the past are based on some one’s reputation, career, and income. None of these ‘learned scholars’ and ‘scientists’ want their ox gored, so the status quo remains the objective they fight for while denying obvious contradictions. This is why there are so many gaps in our collective History, why civilizations like the Sumerians can rise full blown out of nowhere and are just accepted as given; real questions are not asked, and indeed, forbidden.
This model demands that discoveries like Gobekli Tepe be overlooked or given short shift. Gobekli Tepe, BTW, is the result of some other undiscovered civilization, not the civilization itself. We have so many misconceptions about ancient civilizations (books are written detailing these points, but have little following). For instance: Galileo’s use of lenses was not an amazing new discovery but a rediscovery of old tech - museums have ancient lens consigned to musty display cases as jewelry; in the surviving literature there is mention of seeing long distances through tubes; eye glass frames are commonly found, and so on. Old Kingdom Egypt dating is based on known fake lists, but used anyway.
Blaming geology is a cop out. People are responsible for misunderstanding our past.
After Alexandria was occupied by the invading muzzie cutthroats, the muzzie leader came by often to chat. The librarian asked that the library be spared. The muzzie leader sent for a ruling by the Caliph. The word finally came back — if the books contained anything contrary to what was in the Koran, they were to be burned. And any that didn’t were unneeded, because they duplicated what was in the Koran, and were to be burned.
Note: this topic is from 8/24/2017. Thanks BenLurkin . And kudos to PIF for pointing out that this isn't a Babylonian artifact, it's a Sumerian artifact.
I am sure history is full of many valuable pieces of knowledge created, lost, and reinvented again.
How much of current knowledge will survive two millennia from now? Would they still know how we manufacture VLSI chips or what algorithm Google uses to run their search engine? Or would they destroy any record of them by branding all technical knowledge as the root of great evil?
Which is a major difference between Babylonian and Greek math: Babylonian math was always tied to practical problems, the Greeks pursued abstract mathematical theory. Using this tablet to claim Hipparchus didn't invent trigonometry is comparing apples and oranges.
I am just guessing that it makes calculations slightly more convenient by using approximations of arbitrary numbers between 0 and 1.
the convenient approximation would be to find the closest 60th and use that approximation instead of the actual amount.
12 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, and 4.
60 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
the next step would be 420, which is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.
math-wise, though, this seems rather crude compared to greek geometry, in which proofs hold whether the lengths are rational or irrational.
While what you say is true, the Library of Alexandra was originally burned by the Romans accidentally during a battle. Later, Christians were famous for destroying many things which contradicted the early Biblical teachings, and under the leadership of Girolamo Savonarola, 1452-1498 pile on pile of books were burned.
You chose to go to a time and place after the collapse of much the classical world, mostly at the hands of Islam either directly or as a result of economic collapse that they spurred by their piracy and incessant warring (climate change can cause famines and help plagues along, but it takes men to really make a disaster) to prove that Christians were infamous for burning books?
If early Christians were so destructive then why was there so much from the Classical world for Islam to burn? Or indeed why had anything accumulated in Europe after Charlemagne when Europe was struggling in the aftermath?
Even the example you might have chosen, the burning of part of what little then remained of the LoA at that time, was really about the pagans who had barred themselves inside — not that I’m saying them seeking revenge on the pagans was in any way imitating Christ, it wasn’t and they sinned grievously in the matter, but that the event in question was about the people and not the books.
Now, if you truly wanted to try to show at least some Christians to be anti-learning you might have instead cited the insistence that lay people shouldn’t have the Scriptures which was really about consolidating power over them to rule, and not as they claimed to prevent heresies. Of course you would still have to allow that those folks were resisted by other Christians, who did what they could without access to printing presses to maintain a faith founded among people who valued knowing Scripture.
And, other than 7? Not so much.
60/2=30
60/3=20
60/4=15
60/5=12
60/6=10
60/12=5
60/15=4
60/20=3
60/30=2
The number of natural divisors is pretty large, and if you look at in fractional representations of same, they are generally pretty useful. 60 is a good choice for a numbering system. From working with computers, I'm also partial to base 16, but that's probably familiarity more than anything else, though it has useful inherent properties as well.
New studies on Gobekle Tepe give an estimate of around 10,000 years for its creation.
A pot found in Peru has writing on it that appears to be ancient Summerian and Summerian tablets refer to “setting sun land beyond the Med” where they obtained metals like tin and silver.
I think archeology is rolling back our estimates of when civilizations began all over the planet.
Jezz is your history weak. Do your own research of the history of the period from 1000 BC to 1600 AD.
Jazz is your straw-man weak.
For a thousand of those years Christians were not to be heard of.
If you want to throw some accusations at Israel then do that ... but unless you accept the Bible in what it says about David they never ruled much (didn’t even rule much even then).
Christianity had about 600 years before Islam came on the scene.
If early Christians were notorious for burning anything other than sorcery related items belonging to those being saved, their personal property, then Classical civilization would have left little in classical libraries for the Muslims to burn.
Mind you, Christian writings were frequently burned by the Pagans in various persecutions so for about half of that time Christians had sporadic problems keeping their libraries intact.
After Islam began to spread a lot more than libraries were burned. The reason we have all these World History sites in North Africa is the same reason a one time breadbasket that took centuries of care to foster is only a shell of its former self ... the Muslims killed everybody so no one scavenged the stone for later buildings.
Now, for the latter time you mention, when it comes to the West, I think you’ll find that completely aside from the fate of few libraries that Muslim raiders could reach the notion that they had of kings and nobility, that they were focused on war-making and considers literacy a priest/scribe/servant pursuit totally beneath those who ruled ... so it is clear that until Charlemagne and Alfred that learning wasn’t valued, the peasants certainly weren’t gonna be tolerated to waste their time learning when they should be toiling, with the result being that not all much was being written (in the West) That is, naturally, different than burning what is already written.
Yes, in the Americas there were whole libraries burned by men whose main view of those who had written them was that they were pagans of the worst sort, and who weren’t terribly interested in anything but gold anyway. The treatment of these natives, incidentally, was so bad that it led to some hard fought reforms in Spanish and Portuguese common laws and if that’s not a clear indication of how bad things were compared to in Europe ... they, along with (later on) the French and ESPECIALLY the Belgians (with what little empire they eventually had) actually made the English look good by comparison!
(Damnable bad luck to be an African under Belgian rule...)
What is the true role and meaning of Plimpton 322, the most famous mathematical clay tablet from Old Babylonian times? In this video Daniel and Norman explain their new theory: that Plimpton 322 was actually the world's first trigonometric table, but this was a ratio-based trigonometry, not an angle-based trigonometry. Remarkably, this table is also the world's only exact trigonometry table; all subsequent tables have been approximate.
To understand why, we need to understand how the OB scribes thought about triangles as half of a rectangle consisting of a short side, a long side and a diagonal. Ratios in such a triangle were based around their notion of ukullu, which they shared with the ancient Egyptians, who called it seqed. P322 turns out to allow someone to look up an exact integral triangle that approximates a single ratio of sides from a given triangle, and then to deduce other ratios: crucially without invoking a square root calculation.
The paper on which this video is based has been published in Historia Mathematica at http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/.... The title is "Plimpton 322 is Babylonian exact sexagesimal trigonometry" and it is by Daniel Mansfield and N J Wildberger from the School of Mathematics and Statistics, Faculty of Science, UNSW Sydney.
Old Babylonian mathematics and Plimpton 322: A new understanding of the OB tablet Plimpton 322 | Insights into Mathematics | Published on Aug 24, 2017
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