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To: RooRoobird20
"No, none."

The reason I ask about possible white supremacy views of Lincoln is because of what he said in at least one of the Lincoln-Douglas debates: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

That really does sound like a white supremacy viewpoint.

286 posted on 06/30/2017 7:35:43 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

I am sure Lincoln was conflicted regarding slavery and race relations. But he also ultimately issued the Emancipation Proclamation and pushed through the 13th Amendment.

I grow tired of those who pick away at Lincoln, try to make him out to be a racist and a bad man. He was a good man and a good president.


288 posted on 06/30/2017 7:51:32 PM PDT by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.")
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To: jeffersondem

I have talked to you before about using Lincoln quotes deceptively. You should apologize and then present at least the full paragraph. And then maybe try putting it in context. And how it was used in a rebuttal in a debate with Stephen Douglas. You might also provide the year. The true greatness of the man is beyond your powers of comprehension. In today’s lingo one might refer to Abe as a racist, or, someone like you, as a white supremacist, but they would be judging Abe by today’s standards. What you are missing and what I have tried to tell you before, is that despite Abe’s personal view on blacks, he knew that slavery was wrong. He hated slavery. Sure, if Douglas was going to make slavery legal all across the country, Abe would certainly not want to be the “enslaved”. Abe did make those statements about blacks, and then humorously made much the same argument at Douglas personally (that is, that Douglas was not Abe’s intellectual equal either). He did say that Douglas ignored the basic humanity of blacks, and that slaves did have an equal right to liberty. Now, that may seem unbecoming to you, that a man would have and express such hatred. You have been shown many, many Abraham Lincoln quotes in which he expresses his hatred for slavery. It all falls on deaf ears. You are a Lincoln hater. Abraham Lincoln, hated slavery, anytime, anywhere. Even if it was of an inferior “race” by a superior “race”. Abe believed that all men were created equal and with the same rights (whether he personally liked those men or nor). On the flip side we have the pro-slavers. Maybe they loved the blacks. Is that what you are trying to say?


292 posted on 06/30/2017 8:40:05 PM PDT by HandyDandy ("I reckon so. I guess we all died a little in that damn war.")
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To: jeffersondem
That really does sound like a white supremacy viewpoint.

Can you admit that you have absolutely no problem with white supremacists as a whole, and are upset by only one single white supremacist from the 19th century? Just curious.

296 posted on 07/01/2017 4:20:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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