What Would the Second Korean War Look Like?

The Diplomat ^ | April 19, 2017 | Franz-Stefan Gady

[Getready]

If all the military might of russia, china, and u.s and sok is mustered.and clandestine agreements are made with Kims generals not to kill them...there will be an assassination of kim and his loyal cohorts...and the new leadership of nok will agree to unify with sok..this nearly happened close to the end of www2 but Hitler just barely survived the bomb asassination attempt and the plotters and their associates and families were pretty much wiped out. And as predicted by his generals nazi germany was ultimately destroyed. With the threat of moabs..foabs and nuclear weapons over their heads the nok generals will probably “get” it. If Kim blinks it’s over for him anyway.just my opinion.

[crz]

THAT is a little secret very few know.

This country WILL be without power for months...at least the non military parts would be.

Horses will become a mode of transportation again. Most people cant walk a mile these days carrying anything.

I know I might be able to. but it would take me a long while.
Getting old is hell, even for this former lumberjack.

[Berosus]

“2nd? We’ve never finished the first !”

Yes we did. We withdrew our troops from Ganghwa Island after taking it, and the big yellow and black flag we captured was finally returned to Seoul in 2007, after displaying it in the Annapolis museum for 130+ years.

http://www.shinmiyangyo.org

[miele man]

As best I remember, Russia invaded Czechoslovakia in August, 1968. Along with other Soviet bloc nations’ (Warsaw Pact) military tanks and troops as a ruse, Russia entered the Czech homeland. When the maneuvers were completed, Russian tanks, troops and other assets began to leave. They did not use the usual and customary military communication assets at all. Suddenly, the Russians pivoted and took over Prague and other cities in the Czech nation. Needless to say, this move caught America and the US military off guard. Turned out that the Soviet commanders simply used local telephones at pre-arranged and other locations to communicate. Perhaps Putin learned from this. Does Kim Jong Un have this infrastructure even in a rudimentary form? Probably not other than in Pyongyang city/county limits and via military channels.

[GOPJ]

Would it be possible for ONE POWER STATION to be the official “match’ to get the grid up and running in the event of an EMP attack? That station would have very large transformers on site - wrapped in chicken wire... and they’d have the means to start up their generators?

If not - why not?

[gaijin]

Did you see what the title of this thread was?

[Berosus]

True, inasmuch as nobody has signed a treaty ending it. Hopefully they won’t take as long as the mayors of Rome and Carthage, who did not sign a treaty declaring the Punic Wars over until 1985 A.D.

[jonrick46]

If we could know where the pot bellied pig is withing a mile radius, we could drop the Mother Of All Bombs (MOAB to be short), and turn him into dust. There wouldn’t even be anything to bury for a memorial grave site. We would only need one B2 to fly one in. Maybe there’s a couple up in orbit already.

[Berosus]

Yes, it’s a pet peeve of mine. Everyone seems to have forgotten that we fought a war in Korea eighty years before the war that involved General MacArthur, Pusan, Inchon, the Panmunjom talks, and so on. Hence, a future war on the peninsula would be the Third Korean War, not the Second.

[Celtic Conservative]

Have mulitple windows up simultaneously?

CC

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

All of the fake, cardboard rockets would burn up in the first attack. The Norks would run out of bullets in about 2 hours because what they have is probably barely functional. Troops would be starving within 3 weeks as the food lines to cow manure, corn stubble and insects in the field were cut off.

The Wizard of Oshitnoes would be calling on China who would never answer the phone. The Wicked Witch of the West would be howling about how unfair it all was, but no one would listen to her since the house of evidenceofallevildoing will have fallen on her.

All of the fake fronts of buildings in Pyongyang would fall down when 4-5 MOABs hit because they're propped up by 2x4s anyway. We wouldn't get to see any more photoshopped pictures of Fatsowhat'shisname Un healthy standing by the last 4-5 hogs left in the country being butchered which were photographed with some official 10 years ago (if only the media would actually do some research).

Soldiers would find large concentration camps of starving citizens modeled after Germany's camps with the same prisoner clothing and body styles. All the people we've seen in videos performing lavish shows would reveal they had electric shock devices attached to their genitals which would explain the wild dancing, whirling about, looking VERY happy andsowouldyouifthatstuffwasattachedtoYOURprivates.

Finally, all school-aged children still alive would run to U.S. soldiers thanking them for saving them from sitting in class all day chanting about how wonderful the "Great Leader" was while supervised by near clone men and women teachers (Transgenderism in the U.S. has nothing on North Korea) who were lookalikes of Kim Jong Un Healthy each with a box full of Tasers off camera.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Thank you for the opportunity to get some dead skin off o my chest.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Thank you for the opportunity to get some dead skin off of my chest.

[The Great RJ]

ROK and US forces would have total control of the airspace from day 1. Massed KPA forces would be pummeled by B52 strikes and US air assets would quickly knock out all targets of military significance in North Korea. I would expect that there would be an early attempt for a decaptating strike against Kim-il Nutjob himself. As long as China stays out of the fight North Korea would be finished. However civilian casualties and damage to South Korea would be very high. I would expect that the Norks might be able to attack US naval forces with their submarines. The Norks cannot sustain a long conflict and would quickly run out of fuel, food and ammunition unless supplied from China.

[GOPJ]

Well, in that case about 90% of us will die within the first 6 months.

[Ciaphas Cain]

North Korea and Cuba are the only countries in the entire world without Coca-Cola.

At least Cuba has Duff Beer:

[EQAndyBuzz]

We would know the Norks were on the move at least 48 hours prior. Plenty of time to move ROK forces back and nuke the DMZ, killing everyone in the tunnels.

[PJBankard]

The first Korean War hasn’t ended. Who writes this crap?

[JimSEA]

“what if China or Russia drove their best nuke missile parts over the border and NK was able to assemble a bomb”.

That’s a reasonable concern. Would Putin take advantage of a NK attack to get fat boy to take out American cities and thereby weaken his American opponents? As long as it couldn’t be traced back to Russia, of course he would.

Second, I’d expect fat boy to try and get his shock troops to get in and among South Korean civilians very quickly to use them as de facto hostages and slow the counter attacks. He’s shown repeatedly that his own civilians mean little to him but he likely understands that the opposition values theirs.

[Yosemitest]

Putin and Russian weapons are the unnoticed wildcard in the North Korean threat.
I believe Putin will be supplying North Korea will a great amount of help, just to keep the United States off guard
and then Putin will become more involved in the middle east, while we are bogged down in North Korea.

First let me state my background:

I've got 5 short tours in the ROK randomly from 1985 thru 1995 over 26 + years in USAF Air Traffic Control.

Too man people have little or no idea of what South Korea's military is capable of, and just how closely they mirror the United States' capabilities.
But no matter how you evaluate the situation, you must understand that most of North Korea's military is 'brainwashed' and a lot of the North Korean civilians are "brainwashed'.

Now a lot has changed since my departure from the ROK in the summer of 1995, but even then, the U.S. military had intel that several North Korean Generals wanted to start the War and were under the belief that they would lose.
They wanted to get the 'loss' over with, so the recovery could begin, because the North Korean people were under such dire conditions.

Northwest of Seoul, North Korea has a runway built into the side of a mountain as a tunnel that's exit is pointed straight at Seoul.
That runway is just large enough for fighters about the size of our F-5s or F-16s to use. The hangers are on the other side of the mountain, tunneled into the side of the mountain, similar to hangers we have in Iceland and Greenland.

As to Franz-Stefan Gady's assumptions:

" ...First, despite treaty obligations laid out in the 1961 Sino-North Korean Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance, China will not come to the defense of North Korea in the event of a North Korean surprise attack on the South.

Second, Pyongyang will not use nuclear weapons to destroy Seoul.

Third, North Korea — even if it has the capability — will not fire an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) against a target in the continental United States.

Fourth, the United States will not fire nuclear missiles against Pyongyang.

The core belief underlying these assumptions is
that North Korea’s supreme leader, Kim Jong-un, is primarily motivated by regime survival
and as a consequence would not unnecessarily expose Pyongyang to a U.S. nuclear attack and immediately escalate the conflict to the nuclear level as long as he assumes that he can retain a second-strike capability.
Furthermore, under this scenario, Kim assumes that South Korean and American war plans do not entail his removal from power
(which, not only due to recent comments by U.S. President Donald Trump, may be a flawed assumption). "

I do NOT agree that China will stay out of it.
China's interest are 'China First'.
They my use their leverage to get us out of the area for their own interest in Taiwan and their oil interest in the southwestern Pacific north of the Philippines.

I do NOT agree that North Korea will not use nuclear weapons.
North Korea is an expert at "Brinksmanship", and if they believe they're going to be destroyed, they'll take everyone down with them.

I do NOT agree that North Korea will not fire an ICBM at the United States, although I don;t believe they can get one to work, without it being 'EMP-ed" or shot down out of the sky.
Franz-Stefan Gady's assumption that "Kim Jong-un, is primarily motivated by regime survival" is different than what I assume.
I believe that Kim Jong-un, is primarily motivated by his own survival.
If he thinks his survival is no longer tenable, then all bets are off as to just how far he'll go.

HOW the war will start, in my opinion, is entirely different than Franz-Stefan Gady's assumption.
But I don't believe that should be revealed.
Our military starts by taking out the most serious threats first.
But we shouldn't back off until we can hand over total control of North Korea to South Korea.
There will be a lot of North Koreans that will be killed.
But it needs to be done, in order to solve this problem that William Jefferson Blythe Clinton and the DemocRATS made a lot worse !