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I am not trying to be mean but you are parroting a myth or inaccurate history. The truth is all diseases which we vaccinate for were in massive decline BEFORE the vaccines were introduced. Living conditions, sanitation, nutrition, clean water, all contributed to precipitous decline in incidence of these diseases. To simply attribute it to the vaccines is error.

I am not against vaccines and have been vaccinated myself. I am however very against the SUPER SCHEDULE we as a country have adopted. Look around the rest of the world, we are alone in our massive increase of vaccinations. We have concurrently experienced a massive increase in SIDS and vaccine injuries and Autism.

People argue that they were vaccinated and are fine so everyone else should be too. Never making the connection that “their” vaccination was 4 shots and kids these days are being faced with 60. SIXTY! The real irony is that those same people are themselves un vaccinated by todays ever evolving standards. There are multiple vaccine bills pushing their way through legislatures mandating Adult vaccinations. Can’t wait to see all the rabid pro vaxxers get faced with a plethora of potentially health harming vaccionations that are not optional. Actually I could wait my entire lifetime because that is medical tyranny.


36 posted on 04/20/2017 1:34:53 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: 1malumprohibitum
I am not trying to be mean but you are parroting a myth or inaccurate history. The truth is all diseases which we vaccinate for were in massive decline BEFORE the vaccines were introduced. Living conditions, sanitation, nutrition, clean water, all contributed to precipitous decline in incidence of these diseases. To simply attribute it to the vaccines is error.

Only *some* diseases can be controlled by controlling environmental factors. For instance, controlling fleas and limiting contact with wild rodents has greatly reduced the incidence of plague. However, many other diseases are passed human to human or through aerosol routes. These diseases can only be prevented by vaccines.

The claim that these diseases were in decline prior to vaccinations is a favorite ploy by anti-vaxxers who count on the fact that their target audience knows very little about the multiple means of disease transmission. In the real world, however, there are many diseases for which the only reason we don't have millions of cases and thousands of deaths every year is the fact that we vaccinate. Compare the incidence of childhood diseases and deaths from those diseases between the US and, for example, countries in sub-Saharan Africa where vaccines are nearly non-available. Millions of children under the age of five die every year.

I am however very against the SUPER SCHEDULE we as a country have adopted. Look around the rest of the world, we are alone in our massive increase of vaccinations. We have concurrently experienced a massive increase in SIDS and vaccine injuries and Autism.

Um, no. Our vaccine schedule is developed around our specific disease threats, and does not include many diseases that are routinely vaccinated against in other parts of the world. Here is the WHO schedule, which recommends vaccines for diseases that do not even occur in the US. You *can* get vaccinated for those diseases in the US if you plan to travel to regions where those diseases occur.

The death rate of newborns, including deaths from SIDS, has been decreasing steadily. The only reason that people might perceive that SIDS is more prevalent is that deaths from infectious disease have become so rare, while the death rate from SIDS has barely dropped at all because scientists are still trying to understand its causes.

Of course, "vaccine injuries" and the persistent myth that autism is somehow linked to vaccines come straight from anti-vax, anti-science fraud sites.

Never making the connection that “their” vaccination was 4 shots and kids these days are being faced with 60.

If you count the number of antigens--proteins that provoke an immune response--that people are exposed to, the number is actually far less from today's vaccines than from the vaccines people my age received as children. That is because the vaccine practice in previous decades involved killing or weakening pathogenic organisms and injecting them into the arm. Since an intact organism, alive or dead, contains many thousands of proteins, that meant that a single vaccine would expose the patient to thousands of antigens. Many modern vaccines, however, only contain a handful of antigens. Many modern vaccines include only the proteins that cause a protective immune response, so instead of containing tens of thousands of proteins, they might only contain a dozen or less.

In any case, the number of protein antigens that a child is exposed to through vaccines is insignificant against the number they are exposed to every day through normal activity. The things that they are constantly putting in their mouths are *not* sterile--they are just crawling with germs.

Can’t wait to see all the rabid pro vaxxers get faced with a plethora of potentially health harming vaccionations that are not optional. Actually I could wait my entire lifetime because that is medical tyranny.

I've no idea what a "health harming vaccionation" is, but I've had plenty of vaccinations. Just last summer, I had rabies, anthrax, smallpox, and Japanese encephalitis vaccines before going overseas. And I did not get sick while away from the US. (Smallpox is extinct, but the vaccine protects against other pox viruses that humans still catch.)

63 posted on 04/20/2017 6:32:13 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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