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To: GJones2; Organic Panic; Hiro Protaginast
How can you have the effrontery to continue to call him a “NeverTrumper” when the truth is that on September 6, 2016 — well before the election — Levin explicitly announced, “I’m going to vote for Donald Trump.”

Probably because Mr. Levin nearly choked on his own words as he said them, and then continued to vacillate for weeks thereafter. It was the most tepid "conversion experience" I've ever witnessed.

Both then and now, Mark Levin has proven his inability to be fair to Trump, repeatedly. It takes everything he has to say something positive about the President, and doubtless the only reason he does even that is because he wants to retain a modicum of the audience he formerly had.

If Mark Levin isn't still a "Never Trumper", he's still perilously close to seeming like one. Levin's support of President Trump continues to be the epitome of lukewarm.

Many of us can distinctly remember how Levin gleefully parroted every phony, disingenuous Establishment and Media (but I repeat myself) attack which was made during the campaign season. No act of character assassination was too unfair for Levin to propagate.

Some of us remember that when faced with a choice between Trump and Clinton, Levin chose Trump.

OMG, how heroic! Levin doubtless had to wrestle immensely over such a gut-wrenching dilemma.

It wasn’t necessary that all of us become mindless disciples, and I for one will never be the mindless disciple of anybody.

I wasn't necessary for anyone to become mindless disciples, and there are virtually none of those, either here or in any other community. That canard is simply a rationalization for disparaging both the President and his enthusiastic supporters.

You see, it's just that some of us realize that we're at war here, and that it's extremely counterproductive to aid and abet the Enemy by promulgating their propaganda.

And you know what? Sometimes that means giving President Trump the benefit of the doubt! Sometimes it means displaying goodwill, or even (gasp!) being a "cheerleader"!

All of those things can be true without the word "worship" applying in any way.

Indeed, your assertion that anyone is being "worshipful" is patently false, and should be dismissed with extreme prejudice. It's nothing but a smear fomented by those who harbor lingering ill will against the President—people who are still transparently bitter that their "idol" didn't make the cut.

Mark Levin has a long way to go before he redeems himself in the eyes of avid Trump supporters. Why? Because he dug himself a very large hole, and because we all remember very clearly how much he did to actively undermine this Revolution.

President Trump's supporters are very clear on the fact that he is a flawed human being, but many are equally clear in their belief that God is using this imperfect vessel to be an instrument of His will.

We, President Trump's supporters, are doubtless similarly imperfect, each in his own way.

But if calling Mark Levin a "Never Trumper" is a "Big Lie", an even bigger lie is smearing the President's enthusiastic supporters as being "worshipful" or treating him as a "god".

66 posted on 03/01/2017 12:14:59 AM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: sargon

Well, I myself didn’t use the word “worshipful”. I have no serious problem with complaints about whether this person or that is sufficiently supportive of Trump, or with disputes about whether their reasons for disagreeing with him on a particular issue are well-founded or not. That’s a matter about which well-intentioned persons can honestly disagree (and argue civilly for their positions as effectively as they can). Saying that Levin is a “NeverTrumper”, though, is simply untrue. It hasn’t been true since September 6, 2016.


68 posted on 03/01/2017 1:25:07 AM PST by GJones2 (Levin still a NeverTrumper? September of 2016 isn't never.)
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To: sargon

> You see, it’s just that some of us realize that we’re at war here, and that it’s extremely counterproductive to aid and abet the Enemy by promulgating their propaganda.

Yes, when that’s what’s happening rather than persons expressing deeply held — and long held — convictions that they believe it’s important to express. Having said that, I agree that criticism should be toned down somewhat immediately before an election. If Levin had made a dramatic switch, though, from harshly criticizing Trump to whitewashing him about everything, he’d have lost all credibility, and his support would have been worth nothing.

After all, Levin’s support wasn’t needed with persons who were already Trump supporters (and it wasn’t likely to be effective with independents or leftists, few of whom would heed him). Where his influence was most likely to be helpful was with conservatives who were then NeverTrumpers but reluctant to stand by and allow Hillary to win. To avoid alienating them, he had to retain many of his anti-Trump stands, but support him just enough to encourage reluctant supporters to choose him over Hillary. Besides, I don’t doubt that those were Levin’s real views — against Trump on many matters but even more against Clinton.


69 posted on 03/01/2017 1:29:34 AM PST by GJones2 (Whether or to what degree should Trump supporters express their dissent from his positions)
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To: sargon

I can’t speak for others, but speaking for myself, I’m more likely to be convinced by someone who concedes a point here and there, and doesn’t pretend that what (or the person) he’s defending is right in all respects — in a real war, for instance, who admits that our side occasionally commits atrocities too (but doesn’t dwell on them — I agree about that), and counters that we don’t commit nearly as many as the enemy (and that a victory by us would be much more beneficial — or less harmful — than a victory by them). I don’t find praise or condemnation, if done in a simplistic way, to be convincing.

A 30-second radio or tv ad needs to be simple, of course. There’s no time for nuances. On an internet forum, though, there’s room for a bit more subtlety.


70 posted on 03/01/2017 1:31:53 AM PST by GJones2 (Whether or to what degree should Trump supporters express their dissent from his positions)
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