[Nifster]

If you want to clean and sober there are good twelve step meetings with clean and sober people ought there.

Junk use and allies want an easier softer way....there ain’t one. You have to quit and you have to change....

[cherry]

alcoholics and drug abusers can safely be lead thru detox with a methadone taper or a Librium taper over a few days, with other meds for anxiety, sleep, achiness, etc...it doesn't have to be a nightmare....

if they follow that up with a long inpatient rehab, they have a chance....

the biggest thing is they must not rejoin their social group...

[Dusty Road]

Firm believer in the 12 steps but you have to safely detox then first.