Posted on 01/27/2017 12:25:40 PM PST by heterosupremacist
full title >>We Are About To Enter A New World War, Christians Are Going To Suffer The Most Horrific Persecution, Humanity Is About To Enter Its Darkest Moment, A Great Cloud Of Evil Will Flood The Earth, And It Will Create An Ocean Of Blood And Death.
“I do insist,” Hitler once said, “on the certainty that sooner or later — once we hold power — Christianity will be overcome and the German church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.”
In these words, we see the ideological link between Luther’s revolution and Nazi thought. In the uprising of Germany, be it in the First World War or the Second World War, we see Luther at the heart of the ideological aspiration of imperialism, Darwinism, and the desire to exterminate and conquer one’s enemies. If Germany ever rises again as an enemy of humanity, Luther will be at the center its despotic reign of terror.
The biggest barrier between denying and believing that fascism can reemerge and take power in the world, is the idea that it can’t happen again in our own times; it is the assumption that we, because of all of our innovations and nuances, are somehow distinct from those who lived before us.
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What is the source of fear? The Shoebats are working for the wrong side.
As for his latest:
we see the ideological link between Luther’s revolution and Nazi thought. In the uprising of Germany, be it in the First World War or the Second World War, we see Luther at the heart of the ideological aspiration of imperialism, Darwinism, and the desire to exterminate and conquer one’s enemies.
Luther, imperialism? He did not even consider his canon binding, and was hardly some pope. In contrast,
It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors . - VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906.
Epistola Tua: To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment , and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation.
Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors, and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor.... Similarly, it is to give proof of a submission which is far from sincere to set up some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them; and in some ways they resemble those who, on receiving a condemnation, would wish to appeal to a future council, or to a Pope who is better informed.
On this point what must be remembered is that in the government of the Church, except for the essential duties imposed on all Pontiffs by their apostolic office, each of them can adopt the attitude which he judges best according to times and circumstances. Of this he alone is the judge. It is true that for this he has not only special lights, but still more the knowledge of the needs and conditions of the whole of Christendom, for which, it is fitting, his apostolic care must provide. - Epistola Tua (1885), Apostolic Letter of Pope Leo XIII; http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage_print.asp?number=403215&language=en >
For it is quite foreign to everyone bearing the name of a Christian to trust his own mental powers with such pride as to agree only with those things which he can examine from their inner nature, and to imagine that the Church, sent by God to teach and guide all nations, is not conversant with present affairs and circumstances; or even that they must obey only in those matters which she has decreed by solemn definition as though her other decisions might be presumed to be false or putting forward insufficient motive for truth and honesty.
Quite to the contrary, a characteristic of all true followers of Christ, lettered or unlettered, is to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff, who is himself guided by Jesus Christ Our Lord. - CASTI CONNUBII, ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI; https://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19301231_casti-connubii.html
• Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council, 1215:
Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.
But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action.(http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp)
Pope "Innocent" IV, Ad extirpanda:
Damasus 1 (366-384) On Sunday, October 1 his partisans seized the Lateran Basilica, and he was there consecrated. He then sought the help of the city prefect (the first occasion of a Pope in enlisting the civil power against his adversaries), and he promptly expelled Ursinus and his followers from Rome. Mob violence continued until October 26, when Damasus's men attacked the Liberian Basilica, where the Ursinians had sought refuge; the pagan historian Ammianus Marcellinus reports that they left 137 dead on the field. Damasus was now secure on his throne; but the bishops of Italy were shocked by the reports they received, and his moral authority was weakened for several years....
Damasus was indefatigable in promoting the Roman primacy...— Kelly, J. N. D. (1989). The Oxford Dictionary of Popes. USA: Oxford University Press. pp. 32 ,34;
The popes were potentates, and began to behave like it. Damasus perfectly embodied this growing grandeur. An urbane career cleric like his predecessor Liberius, at home in the wealthy salons of the city, he was also a ruthless power-broker, and he did not he did not hesitate to mobilize both the city police and [a hired mob of gravediggers with pickaxes] to back up his rule…
Self-consciously, the popes began to model their actions and their style as Christian leaders on the procedures of the Roman state. — Eamon Duffy “Saints and Sinners”, p. 37,38
The Bishop of Rome assumed [circa sixth century] the position of Ponlifex Maximus, priest and temporal ruler in one, and the workings of this so-called spiritual kingdom, with bishops as senators, and priests as leaders of the army, followed on much the same lines as the empire. The analogy was more complete when monasteries were founded and provinces were won and governed by the Church. - Welbore St. Clair Baddeley, Lina Duff Gordon, “Rome and its story” p. 176
Then you should have added a disclaimer.
Then you are too ignorant of this unhinged, imbalanced ranting antiProtrestant/evangelical. Sounds like a Muslim.
Stopped reading right there. I wonder what religious views this dude holds?
Re : post #24
“Then you are too ignorant ...”
‘scuse my ignorance, daniell212.
(see tagline) take another Xanax, and then go lie down...
The view(s) of the author(s) I post do not necessarily reflect MY views. I beg your pardon.
Then you should have added a disclaimer.
I have added a disclaimer, because I detest posts like yours - see tagline, Danny!
And as the foremost Luther quote checker states,
...if this quote from Hitler is supported by it's original context, it demonstrates Hitler appears to not have a clue in regard to Luther: "I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later—once we hold power—Christianity will be overcome and the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing."
Luther would approve of a German church without a Bible? I don't think so.
More here on this Nazi-Luther issue, but God's grace, while in balance with Luther's anti-Judaism anger, is The Popes Against the Jews
In addition, Hitler was not proChristian or priLuther, though as a politician, he could invoke faith. But he was a pagan:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
10th October, 1941, midday
14th October, 1941, midday
19th October, 1941, night
21st October, 1941, midday
13th December, 1941, midnight
14th December, 1941, midday
9th April, 1942, dinner
27th February, 1942, midday
"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".
Both of these quotes are from Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942, cited in an Internet article by Doug Krueger.
Another interesting quote from Hitler is found in a book by Albert Speer, Hitler's Minister of Armaments:
Then what is your purpose and comments on the article?
Seriously, Shoebat needs the Xanax, while you have to know better than to post such a provocative article without being expected to taking sides. I might be a given that a clearly liberal article was only posted for barf purposes, and which are usually marked as such, but since certain Caths post anti-Luther rants (some of his actual quotes can be bad enough) then posting this is certain provocative, and you offer no explanation as to why you did it.
ARRGGGHHHH! How many times do I have to repeat myself?
And what one fill find in this history, is that the roots of Protestantism is gnosticism, or the belief that Christ was not physical, but a phantom. To reject the physical Humanity of Christ, would then lead to the rejection of the Eucharist, icons, holy water, and Confession. In other words, they rejected the tangible.
Which is absurd, for rejecting the Cath Eucharist, icons, holy water, and Confession to priests, which among other things, are not seen in the NT church , is hardly gnosticism, and instead Reformers contended for the incarnation.
However, while within Gnosticism you had the belief that what Christ looked and behaved like, as manifestly being incarnated with a tangible real body of flesh and blood, was not real (Christ being a sort of phantom but looking human), in Catholic Eucharistic theology you have the belief that (in transubstantiation) what Christ looks, feels, tastes and would test as (bread and wine), is not the reality (Christ's corporeal body and blood only looking like bread and wine). And conversely, that the bread and wine is no longer real/existis, but only looks, feels, tastes, etc. like the real thing.
Take about rejecting the tangible! But shoebat will not let me comment on his site.
The rest of his propaganda is so prolix it is more spin than i have energy to go thru.
Re : Post #28
Thou dost protest too much. Your hatred is showing...
Re : Post #28
Thou dost protest too much. Your hatred is showing...
You provided links to two unrelated sites - provide a Shoebat link to verify your claims?
I figured as much. 😀 I wonder if the dude thinks Luther causes global warming? 😄
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I don’t.
I know what the author is.
You mean its OK to post a hateful screed and refuse to confess you agree or disagree with it, but then critize refutation? At least be hot or cold.
You provided links to two unrelated sites - provide a Shoebat link to verify your claims?
What are you talking about? How are the links unrelated to the charges Shoebat makes, and why do i need to link to the article you posted?
You mean its OK to post a hateful screed and refuse to confess you agree or disagree with it, but then critize refutation? At least be hot or cold.
You provided links to two unrelated sites - provide a Shoebat link to verify your claims?
What are you talking about? How are the links unrelated to the charges Shoebat makes, and why do i need to link to the article you posted?
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