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Scholars team up to dispel 400-year-old myths, assumptions about US
Stripes ^ | 25 December 2016 | WILLIAM J. KOLE

Posted on 12/26/2016 11:31:54 AM PST by Lorianne

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I hope they also discuss how many natives practiced slavery, starvation causing sieges and horrific torture not to mention near constant warfare between some tribes even before the Europeans arrived. It was not all rosy on either side.
1 posted on 12/26/2016 11:31:54 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

You are correct.


2 posted on 12/26/2016 11:34:03 AM PST by samtheman (Voted Trump)
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National Day of Mourning on Thanksgiving

F$&@ those jerks. And the papoose they rode in on.


3 posted on 12/26/2016 11:36:15 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Genocide reigned supreme in pre-colonial America. Indians should be thankful that God intervened by sending civilized Christians to save them from themselves. Otherwise America would be as bad as Africa


4 posted on 12/26/2016 11:39:48 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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They probably would have survived but many of their cultures were horrific by today’s standards.

Likewise the European settlers held values that would not be acceptable today.

People do not understand that history is linear, you can’t go back and judge people from past eras by today’s standards, and you certainly cannot do it one sided. It is dishonest to do so.


5 posted on 12/26/2016 11:43:00 AM PST by Lorianne
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The Ivy League schools were set up to help Indians in all ways. This tells us everything we need to know about the English settlers.


6 posted on 12/26/2016 11:46:35 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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I hope they also discuss how many natives practiced slavery, starvation causing sieges and horrific torture not to mention near constant warfare between some tribes even before the Europeans arrived.


Probably there will be no mention of how cruel the native Americans were to other tribes, including scalping prisoners ALIVE, and how cruel they were to white settlers including women and children. The left doesn't want to dispel the myth of the noble American Indian.
7 posted on 12/26/2016 11:46:51 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( Agenda driven news is fake news.)
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For decades, the forces of liberalism/progressivism have censored early histories of America, relegating them to faraway stacks in libraries and banishing them from textbooks and references for students.

One such early history is, "Rise of the Republic of the United States" - Richard Frothingham.

We know that "ideas have consequences," as Weaver observed, but, in 2017, we must remind American citizens that the ideas of 1776 came out of a set of ideas consistent with liberty.

We tend to forget, or have never considered, that other world views existed then, as now--ideas ranging from the barbaric to simple political tyranny.

Unless today's citizens rediscover the ideas of liberty existing in what Jefferson called "the American mind" of 1776, we risk going back to the "Old World" ideas which preceded the "Miracle of America."

There are those who call themselves "progressives," when, in fact, their ideas are regressive and enslaving, and as old as the history of civilization.

Would suggest to any who wish an authentic history of the ideas underlying American's founding a visit to this web site, at which Richard Frothingham's outstanding 1872 "History of the Rise of the Republic of the United States" can be read on line.

This 600+-page history traces the ideas which gave birth to the American founding. Throughout, Richard Frothingham, the historian, develops the idea that it is "the Christian idea of man" which allowed the philosophy underlying the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to become a reality--an idea which recognizes the individual and the Source of his/her "Creator"-endowed life, liberty and law.

Is there any wonder that the enemies of freedom, the so-called "progressives," do not promote such authentic histories of America? Their philosophy puts something called "the state," or "global interests" as being superior to individuals and requires a political elitist group to decide what role individuals are to play.

In other words, they must turn the Founders' ideas upside-down in order to achieve a common mediocrity for individuals and power for themselves.

8 posted on 12/26/2016 11:54:36 AM PST by loveliberty2
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Lets not forget...THE WINNERS WRITE THE HISTORY!!


9 posted on 12/26/2016 11:55:45 AM PST by GoldenPup
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You left out cannibalism and rape.


10 posted on 12/26/2016 11:59:53 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: loveliberty2

The ideas of 1776 actually began well before that time.
History is linear and ideas build up over time with many different influences.

There are a few honest historians who try to make these points but most are ideological hacks using spin to make their points


11 posted on 12/26/2016 12:00:55 PM PST by Lorianne
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And much more besides.

All was not rosy on the European side either, and not just on this continent.
I wish historians would be more honest and sanguine about history .... Cut out the emotion and just report the facts.


12 posted on 12/26/2016 12:02:49 PM PST by Lorianne
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And how the natives valued sameness, not progress, and lived to a ripe old life expectancy of about 37 years.

Also, did the author purposely leave out 1609 Jamestown? How about Roanoake’s probable massacre?

Next we will learn how the white settlers taught the Indians to scalp people. Anybody else heard that joke?


13 posted on 12/26/2016 12:06:00 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great- -- until it happens to YOU.)
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New England Beginnings

Let's start with the fake news contained in their name. It began at Jamestown, Virginia over a decade earlier. The Viriginia House Of Burgesses was up and running colonial government before the Pilgrims ever blundered into Cape Cod on their way to their grant in... Virginia!

14 posted on 12/26/2016 12:07:18 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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Thank you for your reply. You are correct.

Even those you identify as "honest historians," however, over several decades now, have been hampered in their research, because the so-called "liberals," now "progressives," over a period of several decades, did a masterful job in removing from the shelves of libraries and of schools the books that contained the early histories.

On the other hand, however, their efforts are being reversed now by the new technologies which have allowed the ancient volumes and later histories to be digitized and available at the click of a mouse in any home or office.

Something about that is delightful, don't you think? Almost as if "Divine Providence," as the Founders identified it, was having a hand in restoring what had been "hidden."

15 posted on 12/26/2016 12:08:44 PM PST by loveliberty2
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Boston 1630

That was the year the Winthrop fleet...11 ships with 1,000 English settlers from Suffolk, Gloustershire and a couple of other counties ..arrived with the first Gov of MASS, Winthrop and his family..

The ships were the flagship Arabella, and Ambrose, Charles, Hopewell, Jewel, Mayflower, Success, Talbot, Trial, Whale, William & Francis

My ancestor, John Sales/Jan Celes and his 4 year old daughter Phoebe were amongst them...

Sales was member #21 in the new Boston Church, August, 1630..

When he moved to Manhattan, his plantation was known as “Old Jan’s Land” and Trinity Church now stands on part of that..


16 posted on 12/26/2016 12:10:43 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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The American Paradise before the “Evil” white man came...

http://www.dickshovel.com/scalp.html

http://westerndigs.org/infamous-mass-grave-of-young-women-in-ancient-city-of-cahokia-also-holds-men-study/

https://anthropology.net/2007/07/16/parallel-life-and-death-1275-ad-massacred-gallina-and-vanishing-anasazi/

http://ancientstandard.com/2007/07/17/csi-new-mexico-%E2%80%93-possible-genocide-ca-1275-ad/

All this before metal or horses were introduced. True STONE AGE men.
In all fairness go back 7000 years and you will see the same thing in Europe, Asia and Africa-everywhere!


17 posted on 12/26/2016 12:10:51 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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bkmk


18 posted on 12/26/2016 12:15:42 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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wow, interesting.
It’s good that you have so much information on your ancestors. I wish I had. So far I have been able to track one on my grandfathers side back to 1753 but no info on them except for names and dates of birth and location.


19 posted on 12/26/2016 12:16:26 PM PST by Lorianne
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20 posted on 12/26/2016 12:17:58 PM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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