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To: lee martell
Exactly. I am all for promoting tolerance in the area of the world where it is needed most. Let me also be one of the first to praise the small exceptional examples of tolerance in the Islamic world and wish for them becoming the rule rather than the exception:

  1. King Abdullah of Jordan
  2. President El-Sisi of Egypt
  3. The late Ataturk of Turkey
  4. The late Shah of Iran
  5. Most of the Kurdish people
  6. And, now, this guy.

25 posted on 12/24/2016 5:24:46 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Agreed, except Ataturk... granted he was a secularist modernizer was also extremely anti-Christian and pretty much hostile to any non-Turk (except Jews). He brutally slaughtered thousands of Greek, Armenians, Kurds and Alevites and forced all minoities into total self-denial in order to create a faux-homogenous “Turkish nation”. He could have achieved a modernist regime without these continued excesses that are still having repercussions.

I would include Assad into the list of stabilizing forces. One can argue about many aspects of his rule, but he protects minorities and prevents a radical Sunni regime.


30 posted on 12/24/2016 6:47:13 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: Vigilanteman
The Arabs have been fighting with each other since there have been Arabs--over land, water, power, status. Now the Saudis DON'T fight because they have more money than God.
Our good Lord gave them enormous sources of petroleum and natural gas--both ESSENTIAL to the West. What a paradox. We need their resources and they need our business.

Now, they are our only friends there. PLUS there are now THREE U.S. air bases in the Kingdom.
https://militarybases.com/saudi-arabia/
http://fpif.org/u-s-empire-bases-middle-east-not-making-anyone-safer/

THOUSANDS of Americans work there. If they work for Saudi ARAMCO (renamed in 1980) they get a tax break from the IRS: no federal income tax on the first $80,000.00 earned from Saudi ARAMCO. There HAS to be a "carrot" to get Americans to work in that God-forsaken dust-bowl.

Remember, the Saudis KICK OUT their disruptive aholes. Osama bin Laden was KICKED OUT even though his family was wealthy and powerful. If he had ever been stupid enough to return to his homeland...an executioner was awaiting the opportunity to say: OFF WITH HIS HEAD.

I know it's sickening for Americans to think of US being "friends" with the Saudis, but there it is. Those first petroleum deals [with American oil companies], back in the 1920's, were settled with a handshake. Had to be since 99% of the Saudis back then were illiterate. Not so now, of course, as they made literacy a priority.
They also hire Jews...but only AMERICAN Jews. Had to. I met a lovely woman who was an American Jewish physical therapist...for the Saudi women.
And, when Lebanon was preoccupied with its civil war, ARAMCO got its fresh flowers from Israel. I SAW the boxes of flowers arriving in the market with the unmistakable blue star of David right there on the boxes.

34 posted on 12/24/2016 7:42:33 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Vigilanteman

Sisi and the King of Jordan are alive now. I wish them safety and continued courage. My guess is most Turks of today know very little about Ataturk, or only in a greatly diminished historic role.


39 posted on 12/24/2016 8:37:17 AM PST by lee martell
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