Posted on 10/27/2016 12:31:14 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Have you ever heard the whole story about exactly what it was that ol' Teddy did to get the 'rate bill' - the Hepburn Act, passed in 1906? If I didn't know the details of what I was reading and who was involved, I would swear this story mirrored a similar situation with John McCain rampaging on the floor of the Senate against Tea Party Hobbitses. Yes my friends. All tricks are fair game. Roosevelt threatened to pass the bill with democrat votes in order to undercut his own party, in order to stick the nose of government further into where it didn't belong. It's all a part of that war on big business, you know. The ends justify the means.
Politically, it is a brilliant move. Particularly if you love big government in every aspect of your life. But the danger of big government just keeps moving. It does not stop. It is never satisfied. Here is the scenario:
At the time of writing the Senate has not yet passed the Bill to regulate freight rates, but it will have passed the Senate several days before this is read. In the early days of this longdrawn-out and at times acrimonious contest between the President and some of the most influential Members of his Party in the Senate, Mr. Roosevelt announced that "Canossa gehen wir nicht." It would be somewhat unprofitable, and almost too academic, to determine whether the President played the part of Henry IV. and the Senate that of Gregory VII. The Republican Senators who blocked the Bill insisted that the Bill as it passed the House must be amended so as specifically to provide for an appeal from a decision made by the InterState Commerce Commission to the Federal Courts, which Mr. Roosevelt at that time resisted, because, as he viewed it, that would defeat the purpose the law was intended to correct. This appeal, however, has now been provided for, and Mr. Roosevelt expresses himself satisfied.
The Senators may claim it as a victory, but the country can see in it only the triumph of the President and the forced obedience of opposing Republican Senators to the will of the people. The country is correct in giving the President the credit for this legislation. He not only made it the great question in Congress, but he compelled a hostile Senate to enact it into law. Facing at one time a seemingly adverse Republican majority, he consented to the Bill being thrown into the hands of the Democrats, much to the confusion of the Republicans and to the gratification of their opponents, who expected to reap political advantage. But the Republicans pulled themselves together, and will vote solidly for the Bill, which disappointingly deprives the Democrats of their expected political gain. Mr. Roosevelt has again shown his amazing political shrewdness. He emerges from the fight the champion of rate legislation, and if that legislation corrects the abuses that are aimed at it, it is Mr. Roosevelt, and no one else, whom the victims of railway extortion - the farmers and small business men, who constitute the real political strength of the countrywill thank for relief and the end to favouritism, by which the great trusts have been able to crush out competition. Apart from what he gains personally, Mr. Roosevelt has put his Party in a very favourable position. Had the President been forced to accept Democratic votes to offset Republican defection, it would have been a non-partisan measure which, politically, would have done the Republicans great harm; but as the majority vote was cast by the Republicans, the Democrats can claim no credit. And though it is a fact that an important group of Republican Senators were able to secure the concession they demanded, thus again demonstrating that in a trial of strength between the President and the Senate it is generally the Senate that can force the President to its terms, the country will believe that for once, at least, the usual order was reversed. Mr. Roosevelt having said that the Bill suits him, the country sees in imagination the Senate making a wry face and swallowing an unpalatable dose while pretending to enjoy it. This discomfiture of the Senate, and this belief - quite a mistaken one, but which is of no consequence—that the Senate has at last met its master in the President, is very pleasing to the people.
Dang! No wonder McCain is literally in love with Theodore Roosevelt. Roosevelt was a supreme conservative-defeater! TR knew how to rout those nasty little hobbitses.
In T.R., the Last Romantic, Brands notes what TR wrote to his son Kermit: (page 547)
"I am now trying to see if I cannot get it through in the form I want by the aid of some fifteen or twenty Republicans, added to most of the Democrats."
"The Republican leaders have tried to betray me", Theodore Roosevelt whined to his son. Mr. Roosevelt, you were growing government bigger, your usual M.O. Of course they were betraying you. They were supposed to betray you. It is my sincerest wish that at any time someone is trying to grow government, that betrayal is what they face. I hope he fails. - to borrow four famous words.
Betraying the forces of big government means allying with those of us, the serfs of this country.
In any case, this mirrors the exact activity that we see today, with only one exception. Back then, republican leaders betrayed a big government president. Surely, many of them probably had all of their reasons that may not have had small government at its core, but that would have been the end result: a small government triumph. Today, the exception, is that republican leaders betray small government activists to the benefit of big government. Little doubt exists in my mind, that Theodore Roosevelt is very proud of what the GOP has become. They all now do what he did.
Other than that, what do we see? The republicans are too busy battling the democrats, and the democrats are too busy battling the republicans, that not a one of them stops and asks if the current activity is constitutional or not. We see it all the time, at least, a facade of such activity. Nobody asks the constitutional question. Nobody wants to ask that question. In the end, it's always 'we the people' who get hurt the most by government activity and largess. The GOP "goes along to get along" because in the end, they have proven that they reject the mold of constitutionally minded people such as the Founders, Reagan, or Coolidge. The GOP is the TR party. Over the last 80 years, TR won. They now want big government too in the GOP. The more bigger, the more better.
That's progressivism. The ends justify the means. Theodore Roosevelt, as usual, provides the blueprint of how its done. Growing government the big stick carrying way. This is the beginning of today's uniparty. These are the roots.
As president, the duty is to uphold and defend the constitution. Not undermine it. Here is the oath that all presidents have taken:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Any person, who is a believer in progressive ideology - and that includes and it begins with Theodore Roosevelt - has lied as they mouthed that oath. Its what progressives do best: they lie. Here is the progressive constitutional oath: "To the best of the progressive ability, I will undermine, shred, assault, and subvert the Constitution of the United States."
Progressives are constitution destroyers. They are incapable of taking the oath the way a constitution protector would.
Was also a proto-NeverTrumper when he threw Taft under the buss and ran on the Bull Moose ticket.
Roosevelt was a Reach Across where Ryan is a Reach Around.
Reagan didn’t have enough of congress to move his agenda forward. He reached across the aisle to Tip ONeill. It was give and take for much of his 2 terms. The late 80s recession was caused by some of the Big Government deals he made to bring down the Soviets.
Also, I believe Teddy is the one who drove Blacks out of the Republican Party and into the Rat party.
Under Teddy, there was a Black Army unit that was framed in Brownsville Texas and Teddy completely messed up the investigation alienating blacks in general from Republicans and we have never gotten back that voter block.
Yeah, when the GOP is in majority, they reach across the aisle and help the dems pass their agenda....when the dems are in majority they reach across the aisle and jam a knife in the back of the gop, The GOP never learns.
I just heard our local candidate for congress in an open seat make that assinine comment about reaching across the aisle. I thought to myself, you are a jackass.
It’s not that the GOP never learns.
It’s that the GOP voter never learns.
Look at the ones in Arizona. Prime example. Durr durr durr...
TR is responsible for getting Wilson elected, he split the GOP vote.
Up until Reagan, the GOP was the progressive party.
The Original RINO.
The first Progressive (Read: Communist) President.
He federalized public lands in direct violation of States’ Rights.
It appalls me that many conservatives revere this traitor to the Constitution.
Good point.
No, Roosevelt had a lot of bad effects but the Black vote went solidly democratic as a result of the New Deal. Until then they were not closely aligned. After FDR, Eisenhower was successful in capturing a large Black vote, around 20% in 1952 and 40% in 1956.
Blacks again turned to the rat party in 1964 because they were convinced that Goldwater's states' rights principles were a cover for segregation and other racist policies. It was not true, at least as far as Goldwater was concerned, but the media sold them on it.
TR did alienate Blacks, though. Both with the Brownsville incident and with his plan to build his new Progressive Party in the South based on a segregated White organization.
African-American intellectuals like DuBois and Trotter turned to Woodrow Wilson instead. Dumb move. Wilson was a segregationist himself, as TR -- the man who invited Booker T. Washington to the White House -- never really was.
Sure. In retrospect giving the ICC power to set rates looks like a bad idea. Certainly, hobbling the railroads in that way after other, less regulated forms of transportation came along had a very bad effect. But if Roosevelt used the same tactics to promote a better cause, what then?
Roosevelts are a pack in inbreeds.
FDR wasn’t happy marrying his cousin.
FDR had a long-term sexual relationship with another of his cousins.
Roosevelt was on the big government side of the aisle - as such, schemes are necessary to try to get around the constitution aka "the obstacle".
If Roosevelt were "promoting" a better cause, presumably a constitutional cause, then no tactics would be necessary because he wouldn't be employing his lambskin shredder.
By definition constitutional activity is not a tactic.
It passed Congress overwhelmingly. Say it hadn't. Say TR had to reach across the aisle to get Democratic support or had to confuse Congress with amendments and other legislative tactics. Would that have been a good thing or not?
It's easy to take some measure that is unpopular now or was counterproductive earlier and accuse it of being unconstitutional. It's harder if a bill or law expands the size of government but also deals with issues that people think are important and necessary to resolve.
In any case, adherence to the constitution wasn't and isn't the only reason Congress doesn't take action. The power of vested interests is another strong factor.
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