I have no flame for you.
I will simply say that your experience is fundamentally different from mine.
I am an ordained minister. I have never spoken like that - and I have been berated by both secular and (so-called) Christian males for my supposed lack of virility, and for my supposed lack of appreciation of female beauty.
Since I have emulated Paul by supporting myself rather than taking money for my teaching, I have had many secular jobs, and I have heard much speech like this at most of them. (I have therefore tended to keep to myself.)
I do not condone such behavior, but I do not consider it in any way unusual, especially for a New York businessman who has worked extensively in construction.
In other words, I would indeed say it is guy talk for a great many men.
To tell me I am wrong would be to say I have not heard what I have indeed heard - which would make you the flamer (by implying that I am a liar).
Listen man, no need for a preemptive defense of me calling you a liar. I would have hoped that by my earlier posts here you would think it unlikely I go on such an attack.
My problem is really more about what he is talking about. The groping, that is. It really bothers me. I do think he is talking about - bragging about - predatory behavior. I guess you and I just disagree. In either case, I think this one will stick to him, whether “normal” or not.