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Six inconvenient truths about the U.S. and slavery
Townhall.com ^ | September 26, 2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 09/13/2016 9:50:13 PM PDT by ChessExpert

Those who want to discredit the United States and to deny our role as history’s most powerful and pre-eminent force for freedom, goodness and human dignity invariably focus on America’s bloody past as a slave-holding nation.


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: slavery
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To: Timpanagos1
IIRC, the trade was dominated by Dutch, British, & Portuguese...

Few, if any, American ships/captains were directly involved in obtaining African slaves.
And colonial ships or vendors didn't even exist. (The sponsoring companies might have been involved but their main interest was in taking wealth OUT of the colonies, not buying property to bring into them).

See reference to Rhode Island in the original article regarding indentured European workers' 10 year servitude being applied to African slaves as well.
Like it or not, I'd venture that about half of the Mayflower & associated descendants' ancestors came over under indenture (contract) or threat of prison.
(In tracing our lineage, my mother turned up the ship her esteemed ancestor rode to the new world, the manifest read "Irish labor"...just prior to independence)

21 posted on 09/14/2016 6:18:46 AM PDT by norton
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To: wardaddy

“Slaves in North America lived longer and under better conditions than those left behind in the Congo or Niger watersheds.”

That is Medved’s sixth “inconvenient truth.”


22 posted on 09/14/2016 6:18:53 AM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: ChessExpert
I'll settle for $65 million.

I'm not greedy.

23 posted on 09/14/2016 7:55:15 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: norton

But in the other side of the auction block were colonists bidding on other human beings, and then forcing them to do unpaid labor and then selling their children.


24 posted on 09/14/2016 9:23:47 AM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: wardaddy

Exactly!


25 posted on 09/14/2016 9:25:59 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: ChessExpert
THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY’S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA.

Perhaps. But had you given those ancestors a choice between staying in Africa and being bundled off to be a slave in the Americas then I imagine they would have preferred to stay where they were.

26 posted on 09/14/2016 10:01:02 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: kvanbrunt2
And BTW, there would have been no black slave trade without mohammedans. They ran the black slave trade.>>

Part of it. The rest was run by black Africans themselves.

27 posted on 09/14/2016 10:05:35 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: kvanbrunt2

It WAS a compromise with evil. No one in the US alive today, nor their grandparents or even great grandparents, purchased or owned a slave, nor was a slave. Maybe some very elderly persons’ great grandparents might have.

But the guilt of slave ownership or purchase does not extend to grandchildren, nor the general population. My ancestors never owned slaves. I am not guilty, even if they did.

Why do you say it still is a compromise with evil? I don’t get that at all. I agree, the colonists should have picked their own cotton. But what’s done is done. Now everyone has to take responsibility for their OWN lives, their OWN choices. For blacks to cling to the bad old days of slavery as though it has any affect on them is lunacy.


28 posted on 09/14/2016 10:13:39 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: DoodleDawg

That was part of my comment, here’s the whole thing:


And BTW, there would have been no black slave trade without mohammedans. They ran the black slave trade. The black tribes would catch other tribe members and sell them to mohammedans, who would then sell them around the world.

It is ALL the mohammedans’ fault, and they still have slaves. They’ve always been into enslavement for fun and profit.


29 posted on 09/14/2016 10:15:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: DesertRhino

And what’s really weird, is how blacks and mohammedans are joining forces. Mohammedans are still enslaving blacks and always have.


30 posted on 09/14/2016 10:17:25 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Timpanagos1

Yes, and those colonists have been dead and gone for a long, long time.

What does that have to do with today or the people alive today?

Hint: NOTHING!


31 posted on 09/14/2016 10:18:08 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: DoodleDawg
You are correct.

However, in the context of "reparations for slavery," one must think of today's descendants from slaves.

32 posted on 09/14/2016 10:57:12 AM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: little jeremiah

Mohammed Ali gave up his “slave name” Cassius Clay, and adopted the name of the slave auctioneer.


33 posted on 09/14/2016 11:06:48 AM PDT by ChessExpert (It's not compassion when you use government to give other people's money away.)
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To: ChessExpert

ROTFLOL! Good one!


34 posted on 09/14/2016 11:15:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: ChessExpert

It’s a great irony to hear Cassius Clay referred to as a ‘slave name’ when the original Cassius Clay was a major pre-Civil War Southern abolitionist.

‘Mohammed Ali’s father was named in honor of Cassius Clay.


35 posted on 09/14/2016 8:38:43 PM PDT by Pelham (DLM. Deplorable Lives Matter)
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To: ChessExpert

>> It seems I failed to click the “excerpt” box.

Indeed, but my post was only technical, not critical.


36 posted on 09/14/2016 10:57:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: little jeremiah

Why do you say it still is a compromise with evil?>>> it is an easy ploy used by the left against constitutional principles.


37 posted on 09/14/2016 10:58:52 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: ChessExpert
Inconvenient truths #7 & 8

The rise of unions was precipitated by newly freed black slaves who moved north to ply their only honed skill - strong backs for manual labor. White slave-free workplaces unionized to protect their wages and jobs from the onslaught of cheap foreign labor.

Gun control laws began being implemented to keep the democrat klansmen free from retribution from freed blacks.

38 posted on 09/14/2016 11:21:47 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: easternsky

Thank you

It’s a damn sight easier here today being honest about race than in 2000 when the PC bunch would howl for your scalp


39 posted on 09/15/2016 12:09:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (free republic is an aging demographic)
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To: wardaddy

Lurked for few years then finally joined 2004, do not post a lot but usually here, and yes the changes have been great around here, some good others not so good, still the best place to get the real Truth. Guess just get used to taking the Good, Bad and Ugly. LOL


40 posted on 09/15/2016 12:27:52 AM PDT by easternsky
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