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To: MtnClimber
This is M51, the Whirlpool galaxy.




The smaller galaxy is NGC 5195 .   Tidal distortion of
M51's larger arm looks to have been caused by NGC 5195.
Yet, in the early 1990s, NGC 5195 was found to have such
a markedly different red shift from M51, that the dwarf
galaxy was actually a great distance behind M51 and could
not possibly have any effect on it.

I went to a lecture given by a visiting astronomer that had to
do with star formation, galaxies, the Hertzsprung-Russell
diagram, etc.  Following the lecture I went up to the
astronomer and asked him about the discrepancy between
what our eyes told us and what the science told us. 
With red-faced anger, he told me they were not going to
throw out other scientific knowledge based on one
anomaly.

Nowadays, radio astronomy tells us there are knots of
matter connecting the M51 arm and NGC 5195, which
is not in the distant background, after all.  I don't know
when or how the problem of the red shift was solved.



10 posted on 08/20/2016 12:57:41 PM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: sparklite2
Yet, in the early 1990s, NGC 5195 was found to have such a markedly different red shift from M51, that the dwarf galaxy was actually a great distance behind M51 and could not possibly have any effect on it.

Wikipedia (yeah, I know the warnings) referencing a NASA database lists:

M51 distance 23 million light years, redshift 463 ± 3 km/s
NGC 5195 distance 25 ± 3 million light years, redshift 465 ± 10 km/s

25 posted on 08/20/2016 2:50:52 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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