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To: PROCON
For those who haven't, you really ought to check out the FBI report that led to the change back to 9mm. The FBI did a decade long study on effectiveness of different semi-auto handguns in the field based on agent and medical accounts of hundreds of shootouts in the field, range training and lots of other stuff. It came out around Jan. or Feb. of 2015. You can find it on the net and I found a great two part youtube video where a guy summarizes it and displays the most relevant charts, graphs and conclusions.

The results are going to outrage a bunch of .45 ACP devotees but, here, essentially, is what the FBI believes the evidence shows and the conclusions they came to:

1. There is no such thing as greater stopping power with regard to standard law enforcement handgun rounds. A 9mm has as much stopping power as a .45 - A bad guy can keep coming after being hit with either if you don't hit him in the head or spinal column. Many incidences of perps being hit in the heart and continuing to shoot until they bled out. A trained physician can not tell any difference between the wound channels created by 9mm, .40 or .45 cal.

2. The BEST marksmen in the force miss about 75% to 80% of their shots in an active shootout.

3. Therefore, the most important characteristic of a duty handgun is the ability to place quick, accurate follow-up shots.

4. Agents at the range were shown to be able to place quicker, more accurate, follow up shots with a 9mm, most likely due to recoil. This applied across the board from the baddest marksmen to the average joes at the range.

101 posted on 06/30/2016 7:39:32 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
2. The BEST marksmen in the force miss about 75% to 80% of their shots in an active shootout.

And that's because you can't train with adrenaline, it only comes when true fear is coursing through you.

Interesting info, do you have a link?

106 posted on 06/30/2016 7:48:26 PM PDT by PROCON (Americans First or Terrorists First - Choose in November)
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To: circlecity

More people need to add Trace Laser grips to their hardware, and aim for the head,IMO. Do you ever think what an attacker is thinking when he sees the laser flash across his eyes. He’s got two choices fire a shot and maybe get shot in the head or run.


112 posted on 06/30/2016 8:39:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.")
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To: circlecity

Interesting. Thanks.


113 posted on 06/30/2016 8:41:17 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: circlecity
"A bad guy can keep coming after being hit with either if you don't hit him in the head or spinal column."

If you hit them 2in either side of their dick they drop like a sack of potatoes and can't even roll over.

It allow plenty of time for follow-up shots.

Those worried about a perp shooting back on the street, and those who believe he who shoots first has a 80% chance of living, would do well to practice this shot from quick-draw waist level.

90% of shootouts are within 8ft. Shoot first and drop 'em. Follow up.

That's now being taught at the FBI shooting school.

114 posted on 06/30/2016 8:45:19 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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