“I specifically pointed out that you are relying on assuming that abiogenesis is a given,”
And I never said its a given. I said if life evolved from nothing, that it has happened again and again. Google the word “IF”.
“I said if life evolved from nothing...”
Only in your reply to me. In your original post you did not make that distinction at all, you wrote it as if that idea was an established part of evolution, and I had to point out to you that it isn’t.
Sorry, but you can’t retroactively change your argument to correct a flaw I pointed out and then pretend that the flaw didn’t exist in the first place!
— ‘And I never said its a given. I said if life evolved from nothing, that it has happened again and again. Google the word “IF”. —
You HAVE said it’s a given.
1. You’ve put forward two possibilities on this thread, God’s creation and nature.
2. Though you’ve sometimes used “if” in talking about the two possibilities, and said that you considered it unlikely that God created (which would seem to leave open God creating the universe), you have also made statements in which you have proclaimed the naturalistic explanation to be true.
Your post #52 to Heartlander:
“That argument is utterly short sighted. And even more fun, life like us has already happened, run its course, and gone extinct somewhere.... just as life on earth will someday.
“At best we’ve been anything we would recognize as fellow human beings for between 100-200k years.
“Life happened somewhere, went for a few hundred million years, then died off. Gone.”
3. Whether you believe God had anything to do with creation at all or not, you have declared that life as we know it came about through evolution. You’ve made it clear that you favor the naturalistic explanation over God creating the universe.
4. So you did not just say here “if” life evolved from nothing. You have taken the firm position that you believe it most likely did, and that has been clear from your line of argumentation. A fair reading of all your comments here suggests you believe it likely that life arose in our universe without a Creator’s involvement. That’s what you’ve been arguing for.
So you believe that most likely God had nothing to do with the universe’s creation - yes?
And even if He did, He didn’t just create us and the rest of life as we are - right? You believe life evolved?
Don’t sidestep the question of how life came about from lifeless matter, and try to accuse other people of mischaracterizing the debate.
How is it that you say life came from lifeless matter, then?