Posted on 05/31/2016 2:21:33 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano
My grandson has many, many physical conditions. He can read, tell time, can do math and he can write when he wants to.He has no intellectual problems I guess these articles always bother me because I want a relationship with my grandson that other grandparents have with their grandchildren. When I see grandparents doing normal everyday things with their GKs I don't know, maybe I am a little jealous or envious. Maybe I tend to cut other parents a bit of slack because I don't know their circumstances. Sorry if this makes little sense as I am a bit upset and can't see well.
Someone responded to a question I had about a previous case of a child falling into a gorilla enclosure and not being put down by saying that gorilla had been raised by humans and this one hadn’t.
It was a hypothetical question. But you’re not required to answer.
My grandson lives far away and always has, which is a different kind of "problem", but still a "problem".
You said that your son is the "biological father", which is what is usually used when the parents are NOT married, which is why I questioned you about that.
There's "slack" and then there's not holding people to standards that they should be held to! The parents of the child in the gorilla compound shouldn't be cut any slack at all!
I'm sorry about your grandson and your hurt, which is understandable.
I read an article in the Brit Daily Mail, which claimed that this silver back HAD been raised by human hand, last night.
Black lives matter feel a closeness to apes who could rip a “white” baby in two in a nanosecond. Why, I don’t know.
Oh, I’m sure they can put up a barrier to keep kids out, but that isn’t what your comment said. You wanted them to make it impossible for anyone to get in, which isn’t ever going t happen.
If zoos could do that, we wouldn’t need banks, we could just keep our money in the ape enclosure because it would be impregnable :P
Watch the tape in its entirety. :o)
You are misinformed, state and local ordinances require that safety regulations be strictly adhered to in Chicago as well as every State owned or Privately funded operation that interacts with the public, Insurance requirements must be adhered to as well.
The fact that a determined psychopath can find entry into a dangerous situation or location makes the design job more difficult, but the innocent entry by a 4 year old into a dangerous enclosure is a design fault wholly responsible by the Zoo.
Do I think the mother is at fault for not watching her child? Certainly, but not to the point that the child had access to the enclosure.
This was clearly the Zoo design being at fault.
Never say never! - Years ago, polio was riding high in
April; but polio was shot down in May!
You evidently are not a parent. Children are lightening fast at getting into trouble, and running away from parents in crowded situations. Lightening fast.
Was the mother lax in her attention? It appears so, but the jury is still out on what distracted her, so I will reserve judgement till more facts are known.
The parent is responsible for the safety of the child, yes. Ultimately tho, the safety of the public is the Zoo’s responsibility.
Enclosure design, by necessity has to be updated and monitored for dangerous situations and constantly must be updated. If, as you say, it has been the same for year, that has not happened. The animal population changes, the age and aggression changes. It is up to the Zoo to keep the Public safe, period.
You weren’t there, you don’t know the entire situation, and as more is learned, we will get a clearer picture.
At this point, regardless of the mothers actions or lack thereof, the child should not have been able to gain access to the Gorilla enclosure.
“This was clearly the Zoo design being at fault.”
Perhaps, but now you’re changing the topic from claiming the zoo needs to design some enclosure that would be impossible for anyone to access to just worrying about following the ordinances and keeping 4-year olds out, which I don’t have any problem with.
Thanks, we have seen some progress since he started pre-school, looking forward to next year.
I do wear a charm every day for my grandson that is engraved “never give up”.
Incorrect, it is the ongoing responsibility of all public venues that the safety of the public is paramount, not just this example, but every example. It serves two purposes. It protects the public, and it protects the animals.
I just read this and wanted to pass it on, so I appreciate your reply to post it. It came form FB
Amanda O’Donoughue
May 30 at 8:25pm ·
I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren’t familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.
Now Gorillas are considered ‘gentle giants’ at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.
Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.
I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback’s postering, and tight lips, it’s pretty much the stuff of any keeper’s nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.
I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.
Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn’t they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn’t use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would’ve taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would’ve have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can’t point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal’s exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It’s unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
*me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009
“Incorrect, it is the ongoing responsibility of all public venues that the safety of the public is paramount...”
I’m not arguing with that, so I’m not going to bother to read your spam post. I argued with your original statement, if you are going to keep making new arguments, you can make them to yourself and leave me out of it.
Race has no bearing on the story. A child was saved, good. A gorilla was killed, sad. How many other networks emphasized the race angle in reporting the story?
I am astonished. Not only did I answer your question, I went beyond that and further explained statutory requirements for the zoo, as well as other venues which are contractual and State funding requirements for such establishments. I then went further and provided you with first hand experience from a Gorilla specialist, and her comments (not mine) about what happened, and more importantly what could have, and probably would have happened.
Your refusal to educate yourself, then to call the information “spam” is the height of ignorance, bordering on stupidity. I hope you reconsider your position, and read and educate yourself.
If you wish to be left out of it, don’t put yourself into it to begin with....Have a good day.
“Not only did I answer your question...”
I didn’t ask you any question, so you’re rambling about something that makes no sense and I have no interest in.
“Your refusal to educate yourself, then to call the information “spam” is the height of ignorance...”
It is spam when it’s unsolicited and unrelated to my post. Nothing in my post was about “statutory regulations” for zoos, etc. My post was solely about one statement that YOU made, and nothing else. The stuff you posted to me might interest you, but it doesn’t interest me, so it’s spam to me.
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