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To: jospehm20

RE: He lied to the people of Texas in 2012 when he failed to mention that he was still a Canadian citizen while running for the Senate

The Constitution only requires that a Senator be a U.S. citizen for 9 years and be 30 years old. Nowhere is that amended to require single citizenship. A Representative only needs to be 25 and have been a citizen for 7 years. Where’s the lie?

RE: He lied about cashing in the family savings to run for the Senate when he actually got loans from GS and Citibank to finance his campaign.

First, Cruz did disclose the loan on July 9, 2012; the runoff against then-Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst was on July 31. Now, the Cruz campaign did admit that there was a filing issue with the FEC, but to say this was “undisclosed” isn’t accurate.

Moreover, this loan was reported in Roll Call on June 3, 2013:

SEE HERE:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/moneyline/sen-ted-cruz-reports-half-million-asset-that-may-not-be-obtainable/

In the first quarter of 2013, the Ted Cruz for Senate committee repaid Cruz the $298,000 maximum permitted on the loans. However, the committee is still carrying $545,000 on its books as a debt owed to Cruz. This includes $395,000 in loans for the primary and $150,000 in loans for the runoff election. Perhaps Cruz and his committee are hoping the law will change, or it will be struck down, or that his spouse may craft a new angle. Heidi Cruz is an investment banker and vice president with Goldman Sachs and previously worked at JPMorgan.

Cruz does list on his personal financial disclosure report as liabilities two loans received in 2012. One was a margin loan of $250,001 to $500,000 from Goldman Sachs. The other was a line of credit of $250,001 to $500,000 obtained from Citibank.

Kemberlee Kaye at Legal Insurrection also mentioned that this loan could be found on OpenSecrets.org:

SEE HERE:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2013/09/ted-cruz/

Additionally, in 2011, Cruz reported having borrowed between $100,000 and $250,000 from Goldman Sachs for a margin loan. In his 2012 report, the size of that loan had increased to between $250,000 and $500,000. In 2011, Cruz’s total net worth was, on average, $1.7 million.

So, will Cruz have to explain a little more about this discrepancy that really reported a few years back? Yes. Could things have been filed differently to avoid confusion? Of course. Is this truly the bombshell that will derail his campaign? Hardly. Cruz disclosed the loan on his personal financials, but not his campaign forms. Again, these are mistakes that should not be entirely surprising. They happen some times.

You might want to call it a lie. I call it not even worth bothering over. It’s sloppy paper work, but there’s nothing truly pernicious or clandestine here.

RE: There is a youtube video out of Cruz lying about Trump 6 times in 4 minutes during a speech.
Ted Cruz Lies SIX Times in Under Four Minutes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIHJhtTSLg

Yes, I’ve see that YOUTUBE video and it has been posted here in FR. I don;t call them lies because they refer to Trump’s PAST ACTIONS and his PAST STATEMENTS. Trump of course can respond by showing videos ( as the youtube link you provided shows ) of what he said NOW or VERY RECENTLY when he started campaigning, but hey, I already pointed out that these are his RECENT REMARKS, while Ted Cruz refers to his PAST REMARKS. If you believe that Trump now means what he says, why don’t you give Ted Cruz the same benefit of the doubt? Yeah, double standard.

RE: But if you want to pretend Ted Bush is not a liar, go right ahead.

Well I never said Ted Cruz does not lie. I am saying that what you have presented thus far have very reasonable explanations and do not overcome his RECORD as Senator and Solicitor General.

RE: There are more but I don’t feel like searching now.

You are more than welcome to search and present. I am not a Cruz supporter to the extent that I will defend him when he is wrong or when his “lies” ( note the quotes ) are show stoppers. But they must be blatant ones. The ones you present are not and explainable.

RE: The fact is that Cruz was for increasing H1B visas 500%, doubling legal immigration and taking in Syrian refugees until he changed those positions late last year because of the Trump effect.

Again (other than taking in Syrian refugees, which I am not certain he wants after what happened in France and Belgium), Ted Cruz was (past tense ) for increasing visas for skilled workers and is immigration friendly ( THE LEGAL KIND ).

To say however that his current stance is a convenience simply in order to counter Trump is to apply a DOUBLE STANDARD and ignore all the other convenient changes in positions Trump himself made ( that was the reason for Cruz’s statement about Trump in the above youtube link you provided ).

RE: Cruz was all for Obamatrade until he changed that position a couple of weeks ago.

Let’s not forget, On June 23, 2015, Cruz eventually voted against Trade Promotion Authority, also known as TPA or fast-track authority, which has been debated in Congress amid efforts by the Obama administration to secure the pending Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal with 11 other nations. That was BEFORE Trump even announced his candidacy for President.

Cruz is a free trader and he made no secret of it when he debated Trump regarding his proposal to tax imports from China to the tune of 45%.

So, he was a supporter and voted in favor of TPA when it was first put to a vote in May. Only a month later, Cruz issued an op-ed denouncing the additions of Export-Import Bank reauthorization and immigration laws, and then voted in opposition.

The very same day as his no vote, Cruz published an op-ed to Breitbart explaining his decision. “TPA in this Congress has become enmeshed in corrupt Washington backroom dealings, along with serious concerns that it would open up the potential for sweeping changes in our laws that trade agreements do not typically include,” he said.

So, he initially voted to support TPA but eventually voted NO. It was a flip-flop but a flip-flop to the RIGHT side. Why can’t a person change his mind when he believes that his initial stance is wrong?

RE: Cruz has flip flopped a lot and more recently than Trump.

So nope, your argument that he flip flops more than Trump is not borne out by history. Try again.


42 posted on 04/19/2016 9:03:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“RE: But if you want to pretend Ted Bush is not a liar, go right ahead.”
No pretending necessary, Crus is a liar and has been lying for a long time. You can go ahead and explain away/ignore all the examples and pretend Ted Bush is honest if you want. More power to you.


46 posted on 04/20/2016 9:22:53 AM PDT by jospehm20
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