Posted on 03/23/2016 4:12:27 PM PDT by Washi
RUSH: Vinny in Long Island. Vinny, it's great to have you back on the program. It's been a while. It's good to see your name up on the board there. How you doing?
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Maybe that's another Vinny, but I'm a first-time, longtime, and probably a 95-percenter, which means --
RUSH: Oh, so you're not the usual Vinny? Okay.
CALLER: No, there's a lot of conservative Vinnies from Long Island (chuckles), as you can imagine.
RUSH: Well, there's a lot of people in Long Island, so, yeah. It would makes sense that there are a lot of them are named Vinny.
CALLER: Yeah, a lot of Vinnies.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: Two points.
RUSH: (chuckling)
CALLER: I want to answer that point about surveillance about Cruz. My first point was that I have a hard time believing that of all those candidates up there, save for maybe Trump and Carson, that the GOP establishment didn't have some kind of connection to every single one of them, including Cruz. Most likely Cruz, because he was a lawyer in the Bush administration going way back to 2000. His wife worked for a lawyer, I think, also. For Condoleezza Rice on various different programs, which, you know, it's in doubt if she was for open borders or against open borders. You know, I don't know any of that stuff. But Cruz is definitely part of the establishment for a long, long time and, you know, he's made connections with 'em. He's a senator. He's not as anti-establishment as everybody would have him think. I mean, now the Bush endorsement --
RUSH: Well, now, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Let me take these one at a time so I can interrogate you.
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: Ah, ask you some questions you some questions.
CALLER: Sure.
RUSH: So you think because Cruz once worked for George W. Bush --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and Cruz's wife was with Goldman Sachs and Condoleezza Rice --
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: -- that all of that cancels out everything Ted Cruz says --
CALLER: No.
RUSH: -- and means that he's really just fooling you, that he's --
CALLER: No. No. No.
RUSH: -- as establishment as all these other blue-bloods are?
CALLER: No. No. I think it's just like, you know, he's one of them, but he has his own strong conservative values.
RUSH: Why do they hate him, Vinny?
CALLER: They hate him because he's against all their... um... let's call it "deal-making."
RUSH: Well?
CALLER: But here's the thing. Cruz is a lawyer himself. And you're never heard of a lawyer that does not make deals, do you? I mean, he's gonna make some deals on his own.
RUSH: (laughs)
CALLER: They're gonna be to his liking.
RUSH: Wait a second. That's all Trump is saying. Deal-making! That's what Trump is running on: A platform of deal-making.
CALLER: Yeah. But I think it's anti-establishment deal-making what Trump wants.
RUSH: Oh. Oh. (laughing)
CALLER: And Cruz, you know, unfortunately for him, he has... I mean, I liked him in the beginning. I mean, I really loved him. I thought he'd be a political (sic) vice president.
RUSH: Well, then what happened?
CALLER: What happened? I'll tell you what happened.
RUSH: What happened? If you liked him and he hasn't changed any, what happened?
CALLER: I'll give you a great explanation of why probably 90% of Trump supporters now hate him. Because he took out the long lawyer knives on Trump. And what I mean by that is he started to cast aspersions. He started to, uh, attack --
RUSH: He was the last! He was the last. He went longer than anybody not attacking!
CALLER: Yeah, I know, you're right. You're right. I'm not saying that's not true. It's true. Very true. But I guess when he reached certain point he thought, you know, "Hey, I got a shot at this, you know? I'm not gonna let this guy, you know, steamroll me. I'm a lawyer," and just... He really went after him in such a way that... Trump is not a lawyer. He's not gonna be able to respond to half of that stuff. He's gonna stand there looking foolish, I guess.
RUSH: You gotta be kidding.
CALLER: Yeah? This is the way I feel.
RUSH: Vinny, you can't be serious.
CALLER: This is the way I feel.
RUSH: You're telling me that because Cruz is a lawyer, he can go after Trump in certain ways that Trump can't react to and respond to 'cause Trump's not a lawyer, and a lawyer can make anybody look foolish, and you don't want him making Trump looking foolish because Trump's not a lawyer and Cruz is and so it isn't fair?
CALLER: He doesn't know how to respond in kind. I'm sorry, I think that's... I think that's the simple, simple explanation of it. Trump does his best with his New York style, which is kind of like mine. I mean, I'm a New Yorker.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: And I understand Trump perfectly. I know he's not a liberal Democrat, otherwise he would have ran as a liberal Democrat. Right now, the election would have been over.
RUSH: Wait a minute. You gotta be very careful.
CALLER: Rush, it would have been over if he would have run as a liberal Democrat.
RUSH: You gotta be very careful on this New Yorker business.
CALLER: (chortles)
RUSH: Because that's really what this is about, isn't it?
CALLER: M'yeah. So --
RUSH: When Cruz came out and accused Trump of having "New York values," that was it with you, right? 'Cause you're New Yorker, and Trump's a New Yorker, and you New Yorkers you hang together. You know how you talk; you know what you mean when you say New York stuff --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and here comes Cruz! Here comes Cruz castigating all you. That was the last straw of that, right?
CALLER: Eh, only because I knew that Trump has been a lifelong conservative Republican. I mean, he was at the 1988 convention
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: I forgot where that was. Maybe New Orleans. I can't remember. And he was interviewed on CNN by Larry King, and he said, "Conservative Republican Donald Trump." That was 1988.
RUSH: I have to step in here, Vinny. Just a second. For all of you listening, getting close to driving off the road or the nearest cliff, pulling your hair out.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: Dial it back.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: We got it under control here.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: They're shouting at me out there. "What do you mean, 'lifelong conservative Republican'? He donated to Hillary! What are you talking about?"
CALLER: Peanuts!
RUSH: Vinny, they're shouting at their radio and at me.
CALLER: Peanuts. He gave them peanuts.
RUSH: Peanuts? (laughs) Folks, see? There's an answer for everything here! This is why I'm trying to demonstrate: You cannot, and nobody can -- and I'm not even trying to. You can't break this bond. You can hit with logic. You can refute. You can point out the allegations being made about Cruz are not true. "Ah, you're right. You're right." But it doesn't matter. I'm at peace with it. It is what it is. There have to be other techniques, road maps, routes to accomplish what needs to be accomplished here, from the Cruz standpoint. Anyway, Vinny, I appreciate the call. We now happily welcome you to The Vinny Club here at the EIB Network. So next time you call, you'll be the Vinny from Long Island.
“Any which way, sanity will return here.’
No it won’t.
With a President Clinton Trumpsters will blame everyone but themselves.
With President Trump it will be just like Obama, he can do no wrong and his failures will be because of some grand conspiracy and everybody working against him.
It is what Rush does not talk about. Ok you Cruz guys explain this.
Why has the “Club for Growth” come out in support of Ted Cruz? Why has Jeb Bush come out in supporet of Ted Cruz? Why has Lindsey Graham come out in suppoert of Ted Cruz? Why did the cheap labor express Carly Fiorina accompany Ted to the Border? Why has Mitt Romney come out in support of Ted Cruz? We all know the list could go on and on. Explanations please.
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You have just summarized why conservatism is bankrupt and a total failure. The conservatives just move the goal posts to include all the establishment republicans. The new puppet masters for Cruzifer are the establishment republicans as the new and improved conservatives. Everything is neatly packaged and the kool aid is free.
No wonder conservatism has driven us to ruin in the past 15 years.
“The conservatives just move the goal posts to include all the establishment republicans”
Excellent point.
The conservative movement to the conservative media is nothing more than a gravy train. It is a source for more wealth just like the progressive movement is for the democrats.
Ted Cruz, aka Cruzifer, is now fully transformed into an establishment candidate a retrofit of Jeb Bush. This is simply staggering and people like Limbaugh would have us believe there is absolutely nothing wrong here.
The conservative movement as we know it is dead because the leaders of conservatism are more interested in preserving their paychecks.
Trump has Establishment figures like Christie, the Huckster, Giuliani, Gov. Rick Scott, etc.
Cruz has Lindsey Graham, Jeb, and others. (Mitt has been playing the field, and although he said he voted for Cruz, he says he is not endorsing Cruz. You parse it.)
Some of the Establishment so hates Cruz that they’re willing to line up behind Trump. some of them so hate Trump that they’re willing to line up behind Cruz. For the Establishment, it’s pick your poison.
But with Ted, they know whata they get; they know that he’ll stand on his principles. With Donald, nobody can be sure. He says he’ll be a totally different person after the election.
I think for Bush and Graham, it’s better the devil you know than the devil you don’t know.
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