Posted on 01/20/2016 6:57:04 AM PST by RC one
Since when is a Canadian birth certificate valid for conferring US citizenship?
Maybe in the North American Union. (Are we there yet? Vote for Ted!) /s
If Ann’s argument is based on British Common law. Then she should learn the meanings of Jus Sanguinas and Jus Soli. Cruz did not need to be Naturalized. Therefore he is a Natural Born Citizen. Like George Romney was.
But Ann! Those "birthers" were "nuts"! You yourself had nothing but disdain for them, that is until you yourself have become one.
Who's crazy now Ann?
I agree. The whole "born in Kenya" conspiracy has never made any sense if one actually thinks about it. Accepting this requires one to believe that in 1961, Obama's pregnant teenage mother made an expensive and arduous journey by herself (Obama Sr.'s summer attendance at Harvard is documented) to Kenya, a 3rd World country she'd never visited, to have a baby. Why?
There was a time when I realized that Trump would be the likely nominee that perhaps Trump would select Cruz for VP but now I can see that the position for Cruz would be The Supreme Court.
Coulter by the way is not an idiot. She is an attorney. If you have ever been a citizen of another country you cannot be a natural born citizen of this country. That is why Obama is ineligible, he was a citizen of Indonesia. He may have also been a citizen of Kenya and therefore a subject of the United Kingdom.
There is nobody that approaches the quality of Cruz in this election. Trump has certainly been on the right side of a lot of positions in this cycle but certainly not on the right side of others. In my opinion the most important consideration in this cycle is immigration, send them all home. At least on this Trump is not far from where I am. The difference is I would have a long waiting period for those who broke American law to be able to legally return. Coming here illegally is breaking American law.
She also overlooks that Lolo (Obama's step dad) adopted expatriated little Barry from some country (Kenya?) and naturalized him as a citizen of Jakarta. So even if Obama's slut mother was 21 and Barry left her womb into Hawaii he still might not be a citizen and if a citizen, one who was naturalized and not natural born.
The fact that his mother was enrolled in classes in Seattle on August 19, 1961 makes that a pretty difficult thing to believe.
How can you get on an Airplane with a two week old infant? Other freepers have found the flight policies of all the Airlines that served Hawaii in 1961 and they precluded a child so young from flying. The pressure changes could burst infant's eardrums, and so the airlines didn't allow it.
So how did he get to Seattle in August of 61?
The circumstantial evidence indicates Stanley Ann and little Barry were already in the area before he was born.
Ann, you’re a fraud. What Canadian law says, that’s THEIR deal. Ted was born to an American mom, so he is American. End of story.
Except for the FACT that everything she says is true...Right?
I’ll boil it down for you. We’re talking about a definition. All that matters is-
WHAT DID THE FRAMERS UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF NATURAL BORN TO BE?
Nothing the courts have said, and nothing the legislature has done, can alter the meaning of ONE WORD in the Constitution.
Be born of the land, of citizen parents, and your citizenship requires no statute or decree because it is NATURAL.
I argued this about Obama for years. It doesn’t matter where he was born, his father was Kenyan. Therefore he, Cruz, and Rubio are NOT natural born.
She’s not crazy. She’s a duplicitous puke.
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You miss the point, the only reason his mother was old enough is that congress passed a law that said she was old enough. If you are a citizen at birth because of a law then you are not natural born.
The difference is that natural born citizens are citizens at birth without the contrivance of congress. Without the law that congress passes saying who could be a citizen and who could not Cruz would not be a citizen, much less a natural born citizen.
Natural born does not mean citizen at birth and you know it.
The problem is if someone is going to be an originalist then they need to be one. So how easy it is for some to find prenumbras?
People are clearly UNABLE to understand SIMPLE law. ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT DID THE FRAMERS THINK NATURAL BORN MEANT AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION?
Nothing else matters. Congress cannot ever change the meanings of words in the Constitution.
This is not hard to understand, yet many here simply cannot grasp the simplicity of this basic legal notion.
Sad.
And unfortunately for you she is not only right on this issue, she is right because she has perfect grasp of this issue.
Sorry.
But where is his Consular Report of Birth Abroad?
Cruz would be the best candidate on the Constitution so he has my vote. Those constantly hammering of this NBC issue out of 'respect for the Constitution' apparently have to destroy the Constitution in order to save it.
Look at the Canadian statute that I posted in post #1. It clearly states that a Natural Born Canadian Citizen is someone that is born in Canada or on a Canadian ship. It doesn’t say anything about thing about being “someone who is a citizen at birth”. Canadian law is based on the same common law principles that US law is based on. A NBC is someone born in the country. period. Ted Cruz is a NBC of Canada, not the USA. By staying in this race, he is a walking talking affront to the constitution and I lose more and more respect for every day that he allows this charade to persist.
-PJ
You can be an American but not NBC. Still, where is his Consular Report of Birth Abroad showing his mother claimed hours American citizenship?
Sounds like Ann is finally reading FR eligibility discussions.
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