Posted on 01/20/2016 6:57:04 AM PST by RC one
She got her degree, didn't she? Besides that, we have the testimony of her friend Susan Blake, that Stanley Ann was in Seattle in the latter part of August.
It is rather simple, Natural Born Citizen, Citizen, and Naturalized Citizen.
alstewartfan:”American mothers have AMERICAN children.”
So what do Cuban fathers have?
Cuban law is irrelevant. American law supersedes it, as far as I am concerned. Good try, VA.
I agree he and the GOP are attempting to front him as eligible. But he sure did not answer the eligibility question with the only answer that counts, when asked in the last debate. That is how I know that he knows he is not “ natural born”.
“She got her degree, didn’t she? Besides that, we have the testimony of her friend Susan Blake, that Stanley Ann was in Seattle in the latter part of August.”
I don’t believe anything that comes from anyone that has been involved with Obama’s life.
alstewartfan: “Cuban law is irrelevant”
I agree Cuban law is irrelevant but I did not ask about Cuban law. I merely asked what a Cuban father produces as far as offspring? I am talking about NATURAL law, not man-made law.
You made the statement that Cruz must be American because he had an American mother. I am trying to understand how you interpret the effect the father has on Cruz’s status. I assume if Cruz had an American father and Cuban mother, that you would have claimed “He had an American father so he must be an American”. So why doesn’t “American” law also dictate that if he had a Cuban father, he must be Cuban? I know for certain that natural law dictates this very thing. As far as I know, we do acknowledge nationalities other than US citizens in our laws - we call these people “aliens”.
VA, I don’t know what the laws of any foreign country is regarding expatriated citizens’ children, but they are irrelevant re the fact that Cruz’ mom was American. Ted was bequeathed citizenship UNLESS his mom formally renounced her American citizenship.
alstewartfan: “Ted was bequeathed citizenship UNLESS his mom formally renounced her American citizenship.”
It isn’t as simple as you state. That is not the ONLY condition for Cruz’s US citizenship. His mother had to register Cruz in the US after his birth. He actually had to reside in the US for a particular amount of time prior to granting citizenship. If Cruz had been born to an American mother and Cuban father as he was in Canada and he never resided in the US until after his 18th birthday, he would not even be a US citizen! So you see that having a single parent citizen in a foreign birth was insufficient by itself to acquire US citizenship.
And an interesting point you should know is that the citizenship laws through the past have changed the qualifications for aliens born abroad to attain citizenship. And NONE of these were identified as UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Do you think the definition of NBC has changed since the Constitution was written? If so, in what way(s)?
Not so. He'd be a citizen of the US if he lived in Canada his while life. The statute that grants him naturalized citizenship doesn't impose a residency requirement on the new citizen. It used to. See 8 USC 1401(g)
The citizen parent has to meet residency requirements prior to the birth. Ted's US citizen mother met those, no reasonable doubt on that.
Ted Cruz is a full-fledged naturalized US citizen. As a naturalized citizen, he is not eligible to hold the offices of president or vice-president.
Thanks, I went back and read the naturalization process and realize the law was changed in 1978 and was retroactive. But at the time he was born, there were laws that required residency even though Cruz was inevitably not required.
But as I mentioned, there were periods of time in US history that Cruz could have been born under those same circumstances and not have been considered a citizen (let alone an NBC). Since the US Congress cannot change the constitution without amendment, we can safely say that Congress’s laws in the past that defined children born abroad to alien fathers to be non-citizen were constitutional. If Cruz had been considered an NBC, the US Congress could not have passed those laws.
As I believe you have mentioned in previous posts, Congress only had jurisdiction to pass laws affecting naturalization and citizenship, not NBC. Certainly they could not pass a law that made a person a non-citizen if that same person was defined as an NBC.
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