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To: RC one
-- I think many people are uneasy about this because it would suggest that we are not all equal ... --

That's there too, I agree. But how does one overlook the fact that both terms, "natural born citizen" and "citizen" appear? Are they the same thing? If they aren't, then they aren't perfectly equivalent as a matter of logic.

And then there is the class of naturalized citizens. Are they second class? The answer is a resounding NO! Is a naturalized citizen qualified for the presidency?

The Supreme Court had this to say about Mr. Bellei, a citizen at birth of the US by dint of US citizen mother, alien father, and being born abroad. This was said in 1971, fairly modern case law, as far as citizenship goes.

Neither are we persuaded that a condition subsequent in this area impresses one with "second-class citizenship." That cliche is too handy and too easy, and, like most cliches, can be misleading. That the condition subsequent may be beneficial is apparent in the light of the conceded fact that citizenship to [Mr. Bellei] was fully deniable. The proper emphasis is on what the statute permits him to gain from the possible starting point of noncitizenship, not on what he claims to lose from the possible starting point of full citizenship to which he has no constitutional right in the first place. His citizenship, while it lasts, although conditional, is not "second-class."
The SCOTUS went on to uphold stripping Mr. Bellei of his citizenship. The law has changed since, Cruz has no statutory duty to obtain US residency in order to keep his US citizenship, although if such a condition were in the statute, Cruz meets it, no question.

Minds are made up on the question. I see three different types of posters ...

By this time, all the naysayers on FR are either willfully ignorant or deliberately misleading.
49 posted on 01/16/2016 3:11:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
By this time, all the naysayers on FR are either willfully ignorant or deliberately misleading.

I shouldn't say this but I will. Cruz instructed his faithful to "strap on the full armor of God". That set of armor includes a helmet with a very restrictive view. You might even call it a blinder in fact.

52 posted on 01/16/2016 3:22:26 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: Cboldt

May I say:

I agree, minds are made up on the question. I also see three different types of posters ...

Innocently ignorant. They believe Cruz is not a natural born citizen, either because haven’t studied the law, or lack the intelligence to understand its nuance and meaning

Willfully ignorant: They stubbornly hold to the belief that Cruz is not a natural born citizen, despite having been presented with clear evidence to the contrary. These individuals cling to willfully the position that Cruz is not a natural born citizen, despite overwhelming historical, legal, and common-sense evidence to the contrary. “Denial” might be a good word for this bunch.

Deliberately misleading: They believe Cruz is fully eligible, but stridently argue the opposite so as to provide support to their favorite.

Which of these applies to you?


54 posted on 01/16/2016 3:28:45 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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