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To: Cold Heat
I think it was all about politics and power but someone had the good sense to change it. I do not believe that an amendment is required, only an understanding and the understanding is quite discernible. We know that, at a minimum, a NBC had to be born on US soil by the words of Article II, section 1, clause 5.

It is not left to conjecture to ascertain why the founders included their loophole. They weren't all born in the United States and were not, as such, NBCs. Hamilton, for example, was born in the West Indies. He was a citizen of New York when the declaration of independence was signed however and, at that moment, his citizenship transferred from the Crown to the U.S. and he was, therefore, a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution and eligible to be POTUS.

By distinguishing between the two classes of citizens, there can be no doubt that there is a difference and by understanding why they made the distinction, there is little doubt as to what the difference was, A NBC was, at a minimum, born in the United States.

This precedent is almost fully supported by the common law and is expressed in no uncertain terms multiple times in the Wong case.

I have posted it all many times now.

169 posted on 01/17/2016 5:19:23 PM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: RC one
only an understanding and the understanding is quite discernible. We know that, at a minimum, a NBC had to be born on US soil by the words of Article II, section 1, clause 5.

So we begin anew.

By distinguishing between the two classes of citizens, there can be no doubt that there is a difference and by understanding why they made the distinction, there is little doubt as to what the difference was, A NBC was, at a minimum, born in the United States.

Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I note there are no exceptions here. As such the 14th seems to run contrary to the establishment of two distinct citizen classes but in reality it created three classes because simply being born on the dirt belonging to the US in no way enhances security. Native born children of foreign nationals is just as easy to accomplish and much more common then born by happenstance in a foreign country. To add to that, there is plenty of precedent to make the argument that natural born applies to people born outside the jurisdiction to a citizen.

It's no wonder why courts are reluctant to take this on, as it is political (the presidency or vice presidency) and it applies to very, very few of us citizens.

As such, it will not be taken on by SCOTUS.

This should be the end of this argument, but it won't be .......will it.....I think that is just a statement based on the obvious.

170 posted on 01/17/2016 5:38:44 PM PST by Cold Heat
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