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To: SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; BenLurkin; kiryandil; TigersEye; All

Just because we are getting older it doesn’t mean we are brain dead. ;-) I think, however, that this mammoth was long before the Catastrophy described by Firestone. A lot them from that time period were flash frozen and even with undigested buttercups in the stomach. It may have ended up in the river, been buried in sediment and become part of the permafrost for the next 40,000 years.

I too became very interested in Velikovsky about 45 years ago, read most of his books. I don’t agree with all his guesses, but it made me try to find other answers to conventional “truths”. I have a book somewhere in the house about Alaska which talks about great masses of animal bones slowly washing out of a cliff. Will try to find it and add here.


30 posted on 01/14/2016 10:52:13 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Yup, much earlier — but thought I’d plug the book anyway. ;’)


33 posted on 01/15/2016 12:25:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: gleeaikin
For others: Yes many of IV's theories are controversial, but in context of the time in was right about one thing were everyone else was wrong. He was so hated for this that his books were banned for years, like Wilhelm Reich before him.

What was that you ask? At the time everyone thought that the cloud shrouded planet was Earth's twin and there could be people just like us there or at least some sort of tropical jungle life.

Venus: he wrote that it would have a hydrocarbon atmosphere and surface temperatures around 800 degrees. He was right. He based this on the Aphrodite legend of springing from her fathers head (Jove). And sure enough there is a mark which could have been left by Jupiter expelling a mass: the Great Red Spot.

The only thing he did not explain is the 3-body problem of Earth, Venus, and the moon in Worlds in Collision. However, others have stepped in to say that all this happened while Earth and Mars were moons of Saturn and the solar system was a very very different place.

See here
The Saturn Myth

The Saturn Myth: A Reinterpretation of Rites and Symbols Illuminating Some of the Dark Corners of Primordial Society

Velikovsky reconsidered Hardcover - 1976

38 posted on 01/15/2016 4:53:31 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: gleeaikin

I think this is where you will find the Alaskan Muck

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746106/Velikovsky-Earth-in-Upheaval#scribd


65 posted on 01/15/2016 2:21:47 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: gleeaikin

http://www.sis-group.org.uk/introduction.htm

http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/earth-upheaval.htm

Velikovsky, on the first page of his book, Earth in Upheaval (Victor Gollancz:1956) made some extraordinary claims of the so called Alaskan ‘muck’ deposits in the Tanana River valley, a tributary of the Yukon River - but where did he get his information from? He quotes Rainey (1940), University of Alaska, and FC Hibben (1943), University of New Mexico, but he obviously read a lot of other sources. One of them might have been Ralph Tuck, a geologist who first worked in Alaska on the railroad and then worked for a mining company - in which muck played a prominent role. In a paper in the Bulletin of the Geological Society of America, volume 51 page 1295-1310, (September 1940) ‘Origin of the Muck-Silt deposits at Fairbanks, Alaska’ Ralph Tuck gave his considered opinion how the muck was formed - and it formed quickly, by what he presumed was ‘outwash’ from melting glaciers (even though this part of Alaska was unglaciated). Hence, this article is in part a vindication of Velikovsky as outwash is not too different from the idea of a large tsunami wave roaring up the river valleys of Alaska...


67 posted on 01/15/2016 2:50:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: gleeaikin

Source: cryptozoonews.com

“And there is where we get back to quick-freezing mammoths, for the frozen-food experts have pointed out that to do this, starting with a healthy live specimen, you would have to drop the temperature of the air surrounding it down to a point of well below minus-150 degrees Fahrenheit (-101.1°C). There are two ways of freezing rapidly – one is by the blast method, the other by the mist process; these terms explain themselves. Moreover, the colder air or any gases become, the heavier it gets. If the volcanic gases went up far enough they would be violently chilled by the ‘cold of space,’ as it is called, and then as they spiraled toward the poles, as all the atmosphere in time does, they would begin to descend.

“When they came upon a warm layer of air, they would weigh heavily upon it and pull all the heat out of it and then would eventually fall through it, probably with increasing momentum and perhaps in great blobs, pouring down through the weakest spots. And if they did this, the blob would displace the air already there, outward in all directions and with the utmost violence. Such descending gases might well be cold enough to kill and then instantly freeze a mammoth.


103 posted on 04/03/2016 8:48:36 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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