Is Steven Avery guilty?

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[magglepuss]

Is Steven Avery guilty?

[liberalh8ter]

Yes and as I said, her demeanor on the stand was downright bizarre.

[don-o]

How can you tie someone to a bed, rape them and then stab them and cut their throat and no blood or DNA was found

A huge question in my mind.

[windcliff]

Ping

[MountainYankee]

Also hire an independent to do the blood analysis. There is no doubt in my mind that Lt.Lemm used that old evidence blood to put him in the car. The preservative chemical had to be in that sample. The FBI went through the motions and offered up what they needed to hear. Also the jury was in the dark about this and some other issues. Interesting stuff. Food for thought. It just shows what a person is up against when accused by the state of a crime.

[MountainYankee]

Then the question remains....who is the killer? Avery says he saw her drive away.

[Nifster]

I do.....

[BBell]

We cool man...

[BBell]

It was the joooos. Just kidding. I suspect the brother in law.

[tumblindice]

Brandon Dassey’s lawyer, “Smilin’ Jack” (I forget his last name ... Kachinksky?) the public defender before the trial really `phoned it in’ as far as I saw.
He let his client be interrogated alone, failing to appear to defend him, and amazingly let his investigator work Brandon over. appearing to want to lock him in to testimony that hurt him.
He owed zealous representation to his client, but it seemed to me he just wanted to get Brandon to plea bargain so he could close his file.
Both defendants seemed to act as though they had not been Mirandized. I’m surprised the PD wasn’t disciplined by the Wisconsin state bar association. Maybe he was going for an ‘incompetent lawyer’ appeal defense? That’s crazy. Anyway it was really difficult to watch.
Avery’s trial attorneys OTOH were very good. I was astonished to hear the verdict on the first count, but wasn’t surprised to then hear that the jurors were anxious to convict and go home.

[Beer30]

Avery is 5’2”. The rape victim recalled her attacker as 5’7” to 5’8”. Allen iirc was 5’8”.

[liberalh8ter]

Yes...thanks for reminding me of the dirtbag lawyer. For some reason, I kept thinking his reasons for teaming up with the prosecution against his own client had to be political. He should have been disbarred! The phone call his investigator made to him after interviewing Brandon - exclaiming like a giddy school girl - that he had a written statement and would Kachinsky like him to contact the detectives (can I please? Can I? Can I? Please).

Later, while on the stand, the investigator broke down in tears as the defense read an email that he wrote calling the family names and extolling the virtues of chopping down the Avery family tree!

[liberalh8ter]

There was another huge red flag....The evidence box had been tampered with and the blood vial punctured. Lab Corp stated they don't do that. The whole FBI blood test was obviously a last minute reprieve for the State. I'd be curious to know how many times that ‘new and improved” test has been used since the Avery trial.

[MortMan]

Some of us will elect to try and learn something new by reading threads which look interesting and touch on subjects which we otherwise know little. In the case of this thread, I came on here to try and find a bit of background to see whether Steven Avery’s case is of interest.

Lacking any sort of context for the discussion makes the thread much less useful. For example, the documentary heavily discussed could be named, or a web source for information cited in one of the opening posts (as opposed to post 79).

[BlueMondaySkipper]

The cat incident sounded like a unintentional drunken thing. He was drunk and he picked up the cat to toss it through the flames and the results were not surprising. This guy is not very bright, imagine him drunk?

You might think that until you learn that he doused the cat with gas and oil before tossing it in the fire. Oh, wait, the Netflix documentary didn't mention that tidbit?

[Reddy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_a_Murderer

Making a Murderer is an American web television series that first streamed on Netflix on December 18, 2015.[1] The first season recounts the story of Steven Avery, a man who was imprisoned for sexual assault and attempted murder, and who was later exonerated, only to be subsequently accused of the murder of Teresa Halbach.

You’re right, more information probably should have been included in the original post.

[Reddy]

“You might think that until you learn that he doused the cat with gas and oil”

I would like to find a source for that other than wikipedia.

I read somewhere else that he put olive oil on the cat, which makes me think it’s not true since I wouldn’t imagine a family like the Averys ever used olive oil.

I’m wondering if there was any accelerant used at all.

[BBell]

No it did not. Where did you get your information? I only watched the documentary and I have no intention of further researching it.

I will not base my opinion of what happened based solely on a documentary. I would never sign a petition to have Avery released based solely on a documentary.

[BBell]

Thank you.

[Reddy]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/making-a-murderer-burning-questions-answered#.ixwNnn30B

I found on this link that Avery pleaded “no contest” to pouring gasoline and oil on the cat before throwing him in or over the fire.

[MediaMole]

Of murder, Avery is guilty as hell. The movie deleted an amazing amount of evidence to make him look like a choir boy.

I know a lot of people who covered his murder trial and they are angry as hell over the movie.