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To: wagglebee

I thought my comment was easily understandable. It is commonly assumed that to kill a person is a sin and a crime.

The question I thought that I had put forward was this. How is it legal or moral to “up the dose” to ease “mother” to her reward. Yet illegal to poison her brownies, or simply shoot her in the back of the head?

The result is the same. A person has decided to play God, and ended the inconvenience of watching a loved one suffer during the death process. One is messy and verboten. The other, quite acceptable.

I don’t know about your experience, but I have had several with family or friends who have died. In nearly every case, a decision is made by a “nurse” or doctor to “up the dose”. In every case I have watched this happen, death was really not imminent. What was imminent, is that medical staff and family now are shortening the lives of people they “love” in the name of compassion.

I watched my neighbor do just that to her father 3-4 months ago. Three days before his passing, he was fighting to get outside, he wanted to have a smoke and a ride in his wheelchair. He literally was clawing his way out of the door, while his “loved one” (a legal nurse) fought to keep him in. He was “dying” for months, and literally 3 days later did so. She explained that he was “getting too much to handle”, and had to “up the dose”.

What I have described is not only now accepted, it is legal in the sense that no legal authority will investigate unless it is the death of someone named “Gotrocks”, or Bill Gates.


88 posted on 12/07/2015 9:53:59 AM PST by Glad2bnuts (If God himself said every 50 years debt should be erased, and land returned, who am I to disagree?)
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The question I thought that I had put forward was this. How is it legal or moral to "up the dose" to ease "mother" to her reward. Yet illegal to poison her brownies, or simply shoot her in the back of the head?

It IS NOT legal to increase dosage in order to hasten death, and even in the place it is legal it is a sin.

The result is the same. A person has decided to play God, and ended the inconvenience of watching a loved one suffer during the death process. One is messy and verboten. The other, quite acceptable.

BOTH are unacceptable.

I don't know about your experience, but I have had several with family or friends who have died. In nearly every case, a decision is made by a "nurse" or doctor to "up the dose". In every case I have watched this happen, death was really not imminent. What was imminent, is that medical staff and family now are shortening the lives of people they “love” in the name of compassion.

What you witness is a crime.

What I have described is not only now accepted, it is legal in the sense that no legal authority will investigate unless it is the death of someone named "Gotrocks", or Bill Gates.

Let me make myself perfectly clear, do YOU condone these measures to hasten death? YES or NO.

92 posted on 12/07/2015 10:18:17 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Glad2bnuts
I don’t know about your experience, but I have had several with family or friends who have died. In nearly every case, a decision is made by a “nurse” or doctor to “up the dose”. In every case I have watched this happen, death was really not imminent. What was imminent, is that medical staff and family now are shortening the lives of people they “love” in the name of compassion.

Up the dose doesn't as such meaning speeding up death. I've done Hospice care twice. The first was my dad who had terminal cancer. His only meds for pain were Hydrocodone and Morphine. I controlled the meds and the meds were given to me by a Hospice worker who only gave us several days supply at a time.

I looked all meds up myself, their minimum and maximum dosages, etc. He was at almost minimal dosages. His Morphine was increased one time {doubled} and was still far below and danger levels or maximums. How meds are given has changed and thus smaller doses get into the blood stream faster and less is needed for treatment. Liquid meds under the tongue is usually the way Hospice does it. I can remember years ago when family members had cancer they had a dozen or more meds {I mean the strong stuff}.

The second time I did Hospice I didn't have to give any pain meds but something mild. Death came 24 hours after coming home.

I'm not a nurse but I was a caregiver 29 years and I have worked in nursing homes {in maintenance}. I've seen people tell workers I'm going home I won't be here when you come in tomorrow. Now other than old age they seemed to be OK and were actually alert and well aware of what was going on even as far as being up walking. Next morning the bed would be empty. Sure enough they passed.

Each person handles pain different. Some scream at a hang nail and some can endure even cancer with minimal meds. The worse thing I witnessed was a poor man who was a Diabetic. He lost his legs and every single night for nearly a year it seems like was yelling in pain. He was in pain. The nurses could not give him anything else for pain because maximum dosages were reached. All anyone could do for the man was pray GOD took him home.

95 posted on 12/07/2015 12:06:29 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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