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To: Southack

what do you mean it isn’t lateral transfer? m I on the right track in objecting to it being called an actual transfer rather than an invasion?

My mind is tired, and I’m not educated In this stuff- but I get this feeling there is an important distinction here- and I can’t quite put my finger on it-

I know evolutionists need for horizontal transfer to have occurred in all species in order for ‘common descent’ to work- and for thigns like ERV’s to be present in several species at the same marker sites- but the fact remains that there are genes unique only to certain species- something Evos try to explain away as ‘orphan cells’, and if everything basically descended from one species, then there would not be as many unique species specific cells/info as there are-

and from what little I know about the subject- many of the supposed HGT’s in species perform very species specific tasks essential to the life of the species, and likely aren’t HGT’s after all because that info would have had to have been present from the very beginning of the species kind in order for that species kind to survive- the species kind could not simply wait around until infected by some virus in order to get that information needed for survival from that outside source/HGT

We’re kidna getting offtack a bit as the article is about the sea bears, but it is kinda related- it would be interesting to see if the supposed HGT’s In the tardigrades are actually needed to sustain it’s life or not- and if so, then how could it evolve from a simpler design to a more complex design if it didn’t have all the needed HGT’s to sustain it’s life I nthe first place


35 posted on 11/26/2015 9:14:10 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

The previous “HGT Champ” was the rotifer, having what scientists claim is 100’s of HGT acquired genes- Yet this claim is unsubstantiated and the evidence infact shows that they are acquired from other species because these genes are absolutely essential to the rotifer’s survival, and could not have been accumulated slowly over millions of years (or however long evos wish to assign to the process of HGT)

[[They recorded over 61,000 gene sequences that were expressed from rotifers grown in stressed and non-stressed conditions. Of these, they could only find sequence similarities between rotifers and other creatures for 28,922 sequences (less than half). The researchers tossed the unknown DNA sequences out of their analysis since the non-similar genes were novel, apparently specific to rotifer, and essentially difficult for evolution to explain.

Of the 28,922 sequences for which they could obtain a match in a public database of other creature’s DNA and protein sequences, a significant proportion (more than in any other creature sequenced) did not fit evolutionary expectations of common descent.]]

http://www.icr.org/article/are-rotifers-gene-stealers-or-uniquely (Intelligent Design site-)

So- to explain it away, they come up with HGT as an answer- but again, the problem is that many of the genes are fully established in the rotifer and absolutely essential to life

[[Does HGT really happen in solar sea slugs?

Researchers sequenced DNA from the solar-powered slug eggs. In doing so, the scientists extracted slug DNA before the tiny animals ever interacted with algae—and found no algal DNA sequences in the slug’s genome after all.1

This news must have come as a big disappointment to evolutionary biologists who have been writing about how evolution supposedly occurred by HGT in all kinds of animals and plants. But if it wasn’t HGT, then how do solar-powered sea slugs acquire DNA from algae?

Creation geneticist Jeff Tomkins recently reviewed a new and mysterious genetic process whereby certain animal, plant, and fungus genomes spin off loops of DNA from themselves.2 Researchers have even found these so-called “extrachromosomal circular DNAs,” or eccDNA, in human body cells.

For sea slugs to uptake algae-made eccDNA, their gut cells must have parts and protocols arranged just as precisely as those that uptake chloroplasts. Every single piece of the process must be in place or the lights won’t come on.

By demonstrating that HGT did not occur in sea slugs, this research robs secular theorists of a key evolutionary mechanism.]]

http://www.icr.org/article/solar-powered-sea-slug-illuminates


36 posted on 11/27/2015 9:47:50 AM PST by Bob434
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