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To: PeterPrinciple

Yes, there was certainly a lot of power-playing going on.

I don’t know know of any better description of the history of that whole era, politically-speaking, than Abraham Lincoln himself gave in his famous “House Divided” speech on June 16, 1858 in Springfield, Illinois.

A speech that almost certainly cost him the Senate race against Douglas, but ultimately gained him the presidency.

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/house.htm

“Mr. President and Gentlemen of the Convention.

If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could then better judge what to do, and how to do it.

We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated, with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation.

Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only, not ceased, but has constantly augmented.

In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South....”

Truly, any serious student of that era simply must digest this speech well, IMO.


97 posted on 11/22/2015 6:33:07 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.


Can we say that today? Have you heard it?

In the rules of negotiation, you never want just one point. If negotiation comes to one point (like the price of the car) , then you have a winner and a loser. Our issues are too squishy yet.

What will be the one issue that requires us to pick a side?

gun rights?
immigration?
homos?


101 posted on 11/22/2015 7:01:47 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: EternalVigilance

From your source:

............... The title reflects part of the speech’s introduction, “A house divided against itself cannot stand,” a concept familiar to Lincoln’s audience as a statement by Jesus recorded in all three synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke).

Even Lincoln’s friends regarded the speech as too radical for the occasion. His law partner, William H. Herndon, considered Lincoln as morally courageous but politically incorrect. Lincoln read the speech to him before delivering it, referring to the “house divided” language this way: “The proposition is indisputably true ... and I will deliver it as written. I want to use some universally known figure, expressed in simple language as universally known, that it may strike home to the minds of men in order to rouse them to the peril of the times.”

The speech created many repercussions, giving Lincoln’s political opponent fresh ammunition. Herndon remarked, “when I saw Senator Douglas making such headway against Mr. Lincoln’s house divided speech I was nettled & irritable, and said to Mr. Lincoln one day this — ‘Mr. Lincoln — why in the world do you not say to Mr. Douglas, when he is making capitol out of your speech, — ‘Douglas why whine and complain to me because of that speech. I am not the author of it. God is. Go and whine and complain to Him for its revelation, and utterance.’ Mr. Lincoln looked at me one short quizzical moment, and replied ‘I can’t.’”


A few thoughts:

1) would anyone today recognize the source of the house divided?

2) Why did Lincoln have a quizzical look and reply “I can’t”? (to a perfectly good, political response you and I would encourage him to say)


103 posted on 11/22/2015 7:19:29 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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