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To: HandyDandy

A century and a half later, it may yet be.

By the way, I disagree with U.S. Grant’s statement. I believe the Founders did forsee the possibility of an attempt at an armed dissolution of the Union, and were willing to submit the nation to a war to preserve it.

Reread the Constitution as adopted. Count the references to “rebellion” and to how to handle cases of Treason. The document is laced with them, a reference in virtually every article. Also, consider Article VI, Sec. 3, Clause 1:

“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution....”

Not just Federal office holders, but every single state and local officer down to 3rd shift assistant mens’ room attendant, is required to take an oath upholding the Constitution.

They clearly intended the Union to be indivisible, contemplated that armed force may be necessary to preserve it, and were willing to apply it.


328 posted on 12/22/2015 9:55:39 AM PST by henkster (Never elect a president with unresolved mommy issues.)
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To: henkster; central_va
By the way, I disagree with U.S. Grant's statement.

I do too. For him to have said that the framers didn't foresee the possibility, is simply rebutted by citing the words of Jefferson.

Note also how A. Stephens, early in 1861, pre-Sumter, is already viewing the Separatiom of States as a done-deal. Throughout the "Cornerstone Speech" he refers to the "old Union", the "old government, the "old constitution". It begins with, I was remarking that we are passing through one of the greatest revolutions in the annals of the world. Seven States have within the last three months thrown off an old government and formed a new. This revolution has been signally marked, up to this time, by the fact of its having been accomplished without the loss of a single drop of blood.

The speech is a "must read". Especially for anyone who thinks the master/slave relationship can be likened to parent/child.

332 posted on 12/22/2015 11:04:20 AM PST by HandyDandy (Don't make up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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