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To: Mase

You’re incredibly smug for being so wrong. Concentrated simple carbs invite an outsized insulin response, among other dynamics that do put the body into fat storing, as opposed to fat burning, mode.

People who are fat have overeaten relative to what their body requires, but they’ve also likely eaten poorly, which, such as with the exaggerated insulin response, has led to more hunger and a negative cycle.

As any number of people here are trying to tell you either from their direct experience or from links with scientific studies, this is the case. That is why formerly fat people can often eat more, though of different stuff, than they were able to eat when they were fat.

Also, the fat for many diseased is, like their disease itself a product of what and how they’ve been eating—rather than necessarily the primary direct cause of their illness.


83 posted on 11/10/2015 7:55:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
You’re incredibly smug for being so wrong.

Maybe you should read my post again and look up that word. I offered only facts. You're the one getting his panties in a wad.

Concentrated simple carbs invite an outsized insulin response, among other dynamics that do put the body into fat storing, as opposed to fat burning, mode.

Insulin facilitates the metabolization of carbohydrates. If you compare weight loss diets using like energy content and macronutrient composition, but offer differing glycemic indexes for each, you will find no fat loss between the groups. Table sugar and Japanese white rice have a similar GI. According to you, the Japanese should be obese for relying on a food that delivers an outsized insulin response for a large percentage of their overall diet. It ain't happening.

As any number of people here are trying to tell you either from their direct experience or from links with scientific studies, this is the case.

Right. And we have hundreds of millions of Asians enjoying their high carb diets while living longer and healthier lives than westerners to prove it. We should accept your "studies", and feelings, rather than real world results involving hundreds of millions of people over hundreds of years. I think your understanding of the science is flawed.

the fat for many diseased is, like their disease itself a product of what and how they’ve been eating—rather than necessarily the primary direct cause of their illness.

You're half right... their disease is, most likely, caused by how much they've been eating -- as in eating way too much vs how much exercise they get. The source of the calories isn't important as long as malnutrition isn't resulting. The issue is, as it has always been, total calories consumed vs. total calories burned.

Believing that insulin response is responsible for weight gain is a great way to sell diet advice. The real, and more logical, reason that overeating is responsible, is probably not information people are willing to pay for. Meanwhile, guys like Taubes make a fortune. If insulin response is materially responsible for why we get fat, then you should be able to produce a study showing that people who consume large amounts of caffeine are more predisposed to obesity than those who do not consume caffeine - given that caffeine stimulates an exaggerated insulin response. Let me know when you find that study.

84 posted on 11/10/2015 9:17:34 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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