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To: metmom; kinsman redeemer; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; marron; xzins; hosepipe; trisham; TXnMA
Why is this video drawing such negative reaction from some FReepers?

It looks to me like Fazal Rana and Hugh Ross, scientists, are making statements that strongly support the Christian, Biblical view of human origins, and are suggesting that there is nothing from science that refutes this view. Indeed they suggest that, if anything, recent scientific findings lend support to the Biblical account.

These guys aren't any kind of Darwinian evolutionist....

Thanks so much for the ping, dear sister in Christ!

29 posted on 11/05/2015 12:52:16 PM PST by betty boop (The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.)
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To: betty boop
Well said, Betty. If you're previously unacquainted with Hugh and Fuz (Fazale), they head Reasons to Believe, a Christian apologetics ministry dedicated specifically to demonstrating the congruence of science and the Christian faith, as you noted, at Reasons.org.
32 posted on 11/05/2015 2:03:19 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: betty boop

I know Hugh Ross isn’t any where near evolutionist by any stretch of the imagination.

I am not sure of the other guy but the debate part probably suggested it was between them not that they supported the same side.


33 posted on 11/05/2015 2:41:50 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: betty boop
there is nothing from science that refutes this view.”

Amen, Boop.

38 posted on 11/05/2015 5:58:46 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; metmom; kinsman redeemer; YHAOS; marron; xzins; hosepipe; trisham
Thank you for the ping, Dear Sister!

As you -- and those who have read my posts (and seen my graphics on the subject) are aware, I am very much a creationist and very much a physical scientist. So - this thread should be "right up my alley"... '-)

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The problem I find with the premise of this thread is that it deals with Adam and Eve as if they were unique physical creations -- and were the very first and only pair of their (physical) kind.

Obviously, (as will be shown below) they were not.

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Adam and Eve were unique spiritual creations "ensouled" by the very Spirit of God to be in His likeness (God is Spirit) -- and the very first such of that kind.

Scripture is very clear that the physical bodies of the pair were NOT uniquely created ex nihilo (caused to exist where nothing had existed before). Scripture specifically and clearly states that their physical bodies were formed (made, shaped, fabricated, molded) from physical matter that was, instead, created "in the beginning" by God.

IOW, the physical materials from which their bodies were FORMED were "that which was just lying around" - i.e. "the dust of the ground":

"The Dust of the Ground"

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In other words, the entire premise of this thread is bogus!!

(The clue to that "outlandish" statement is that humankind is extremely genetically diverse.)

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In contrast, genetically, Adam and Eve were genetically IDENTICAL. (Eve was cloned from Adam.)

IF Adam and Eve were the very first two physical humans:

They had the following offspring: sons Cain, Abel and Seth, plus (at least) two additional sons and (at least) two additional daughters. [Validating that offspring count in Scripture is left as an exercise for the reader...]

Their offspring were genetically identical to their parents.

And, since the offspring managed to propagate the species, the only spouses that could have been available to them were their (genetically identical) SIBLINGS.

With that being the (genetic) outcome of Adam and Eve being the very first and only (physical) humans, humankind would be fortunate to even look this good:

As stated above, obviously, that is not the case that exists here on Earth.

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BOTTOM LINE: My answer to the question in the article's title is, "NO!"

Adam and Eve were unique spiritual creations. "Science" (genetics) has no way of detecting that uniqueness.

The question of how the existing radical genetic diversity of humankind came to be (where Cain, Abel, and Seth and their other brothers and sisters got their [genetically different] spouses) is beyond the scope of this article and discussion thread.

I have my own answer -- but neither Hugh Ross, (with whom I agree on many points) nor other participants on this thread, would be expected to agree with it... ;-)

39 posted on 11/06/2015 9:16:10 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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