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To: DiogenesLamp

In 2009, the state Health Director issued a press release which stated:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Under Hawaii state law, the state’s issuance of a Certified Certificate of Live Birth is “Prima Facie Evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
There has never been a court proceeding that denied prima facie evdence status to the Obama birth record.

Additionally the state has issued 3 Certfied Letters of Verification for the Obama birth vital record under the provisions of Hawaii Revised Statute 338-14.3. In all three cases, the Certified Letters of Verification were accepted as proof of place of birth by two states’ Chief Election officials and also by a U.S. District Court Judge in Mississippi.

Also the U.S. House of Representatives acknowledged Obama’s birth in Hawaii in House Res. 593 of the 111th Congress on a vote of 378-0.

Finally, Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution mandates “Full Faith and Credit” for the records of any state by every other state. Over the last eight years, no other state and no action by the federal government has denied full faith and credit to the Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Obama.


85 posted on 09/26/2015 10:57:12 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Additionally the state has issued 3 Certfied Letters of Verification for the Obama birth vital record under the provisions of Hawaii Revised Statute 338-14.3.

Indeed. I think anyone who isn't looking at this with an agenda would conclude that a verification made pursuant to statutory provisions enacted for verification of vital records facts constitutes an "Official" act in establishment of the birth fact.

The statements issued --

“[I] verify the following:
1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.”

-- coupled with the reference to the "original Certificate of Life Birth" used in completing the verification request, are as direct and succinct as one could possibly make them.

86 posted on 09/26/2015 11:35:34 AM PDT by CpnHook
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To: Nero Germanicus
Nothing you say in this regard carries the slightest weight with me. We know they are lying because they won't issue the d@mn document without putting statements in there that give them an out.

They have never said "This is Barack Obama's original Birth Certificate". They keep saying "Or an abstract of the record in our files." Which means that it can be completely fake and based on whatever has subsequently been placed in their files.

What you consistently refuse to address is the fact that there is always a liars out. They never say anything with out wiggle room to allow for a fake.



Till they commit to an unequivocal statement that cannot be parsed to allow for any other conclusion, I have no interest in their assertions, and I likewise have no interest in the fact that you keep bringing them up as if they actually prove something.

94 posted on 09/27/2015 12:21:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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