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To: Pelham; DiogenesLamp

Yeah, we all know the usual terms. My favorite is the United Kingdom of the British Empire. This evening was the first time I ever heard of the “British Union”. DL made it up in a desperate attempt to zeitgeist the Revolutionary War with The War of the Rebellion. He is attempting to unequivocally equate The Union, to the United Kingdom of the British Empire, in order to force his square argument into a round hole by his newly minted coined phrase. See my tag line.


428 posted on 08/17/2015 9:39:58 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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To: HandyDandy

Well there are parallels in the two wars. Suppose that someone were to propose to you the following:

A Virginia Governor writes a letter to a Virginia general who is commanding the rebel army. In this letter the Governor bitterly complains that his slaves are being freed by the opposing army, and he wants the general to do something to stop it. Name either the governor or the general.

Most people would likely name the general as Robert E Lee, but it’s not. It’s his wife’s great grandfather George Washington. The Governor was Thomas Jefferson, and the forces freeing the slaves were the armies of the Crown.

In both cases there were subordinate states that announced independence from their mother governments. In both cases those mother governments objected violently to having their subjects and territory reduced and they used military force to put down what the rebels. In both cases there were emancipation proclamations by the mother governments.


430 posted on 08/17/2015 10:05:16 PM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: HandyDandy
You might want to hold right there Handy. Looks to me like they've switched gears and now say that a "union by conquest" (a concept that they consider actions by the north to represent - as silly as that particular notion is) is okey-doke for them.

It's nonsense of course, but so is any attempt to compare the Revolutionary War with the War of Southern Aggression.

432 posted on 08/18/2015 5:46:42 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: HandyDandy
This evening was the first time I ever heard of the “British Union”. DL made it up in a desperate attempt to zeitgeist the Revolutionary War with The War of the Rebellion.

I guess the term "American Union" would simply be beyond your ability to comprehend? You seem to put great stock in the trivia of which words are used to describe something, and OMG it's a great leap from the "United Kingdom" to the "United States." Obviously they are completely different things, and whatever the one thing is, the other must not be.

You talk about wasting people's time, just how much time have you wasted objecting to the usage of the term "British Union" because you do not like how it sounds, how it makes you uneasy in regards to what the "Union" did in the Civil War?

You remind me of that old lawyer's saw, "If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If Law is on your side, pound the law. If neither the Facts nor the Law is on your side, pound the table."

That is what you are doing. You are pounding the table because you don't like the comparison between the British Union and the American Union in regards to subjugating a free people.

You assert it is "a square argument into a round hole" but you desperately wish this were so. What is entirely too uncomfortable for you is the fact that it is the same sort of hole as it was in 1776, and whether it be square or round, the argument will fit as well as it did before.

Only the cheerleaders have changed. The salient facts remain the same.

433 posted on 08/18/2015 6:02:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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