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To: DiogenesLamp
But you cannot face the fact that had he not been around, we never would have adopted it.

I don't know about whether we would have adopted the 14th Amendment had Lincoln not lived and died before we adopted it, but I assume that we would have never adopted it if we hadn't had Founding Fathers to create the USA in the first place.

Go ahead, blame it on Madison. It won't help you.

I love the USA and am very happy here. If there are a few of you who really want to leave, then please just leave. I don't think that we could pry you loose from this country.

395 posted on 08/17/2015 4:43:36 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
I don't know about whether we would have adopted the 14th Amendment had Lincoln not lived and died before we adopted it, but I assume that we would have never adopted it if we hadn't had Founding Fathers to create the USA in the first place.

This is called diversion. It is pretty axiomatic that without Lincoln, the 14th would read very differently than it now does. So would the 13th. The 13th almost read differently anyways, and apparently Lincoln was willing to acquiesce to it.

This is why I put little stock in claims that the Union went to war about slavery. Apparently the continued status of slavery was completely negotiable up until about two years after the war started.

I love the USA and am very happy here.

It is still the best country around, but that just means that we are simply in last place in the race to the dungheap. The rest of the world is getting worse faster than are we, but we are still going in the same direction as they.

We still have that hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities to deal with, and one of these days those interest rates are going to go up.

397 posted on 08/17/2015 4:55:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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