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To: DiogenesLamp
If you aren’t interested in discussing something seriously, I don’t know why you would expect me to do it either.

It was you (see posts 232, 291) who first suggested that Abraham Lincoln was responsible for the legalization of homosexual marriages. And, when I say that you were the first to suggest that connection, I don't just mean that you were the first to suggest it on this thread or at this website. I believe that you are the first person anywhere in the world to make that connection.

The interesting question for me is why you would make that connection. I have some thoughts on that matter. I suspect that you are very unhappy about some of the things that are going on in your life and I suspect that you do not want to look for causes for these problems anywhere that might involve an expectation that you make changes in your life to correct the problems. I suspect that you feel it is safer to blame these problems on some person (Lincoln) or event (civil war) so remote that no one can expect you to take steps to correct the problems. Fixing blame on the civil war or on someone who has been dead for more than 150 years leads to the apparently comfortable conclusion is that none of these problems are your fault and there is nothing you can do to fix them. You are a victim trapped in a world designed by Abraham Lincoln.

I think that you should face squarely the reality that neither Abraham Lincoln nor the civil war has any significant influence on your life or your happiness. I'm not sure that you can do that, though.

If you want to solve your problems, whatever they may be, or to improve your circumstances, then you are going to have to make changes that you can make. You can only change things that are close to you and you can only change things in the future. Forget about Abraham Lincoln and the civil war.

350 posted on 08/17/2015 12:10:59 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
It was you (see posts 232, 291) who first suggested that Abraham Lincoln was responsible for the legalization of homosexual marriages.

In the same manner that Jimmy Carter is responsible for the deaths of a Million people. Had he supported the Shah of Iran, the Iran/Iraq war would never have happened.

The consequences of Lincoln turning the law on it's head eventually led to the court abusing the 14th amendment to push these "discrimination" arguments. Lincoln is indirectly responsible for much crap we are dealing with today.

I don't just mean that you were the first to suggest it on this thread or at this website. I believe that you are the first person anywhere in the world to make that connection.

Some people see deeper than others. Many of the arguments that I get into are the result of other people's shallow thinking and shallow perception; people who simply do not have sufficient scope of thought to perceive what has happened and what it will eventually lead to.

The very day Paul Bremer announced the plan to disband the Iraq army and prohibit "bathe party" members from holding any government jobs or positions, I immediately started screaming at the radio about what a colossally stupid thing that was, that it would turn our victory into ashes and bung up Iraq in an unbelievable manner.

I knew they would get an immediate and violent response. I bemoaned the fact that out of all those War College graduates, none of them seemed to have the wit to tell the civilians that this would be an incredibly stupid move.

Another example:

When George HW Bush made noises about going along with a Democrat tax increase, again I started screaming at my radio. I said "You stupid fool! They don't give a crap about taxes, they just want to make you break that promise so as to undermine you politically, and perhaps wreck your reelection effort. "

Again, history unfolded exactly as I predicted. As a matter of fact, it happens so often that I generally don't even pay much attention to it anymore.

Want another example? See what I wrote about Mitch McConnell and Thad Cochran during the few months prior to November of last year. It's posted right here on Free Republic, and you can go read it without having to take my word for it.

Both of them have done exactly what I predicted they would do.

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352 posted on 08/17/2015 12:29:04 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Tau Food
The interesting question for me is why you would make that connection. I have some thoughts on that matter. I suspect that you are very unhappy about some of the things that are going on in your life and I suspect that you do not want to look for causes for these problems anywhere that might involve an expectation that you make changes in your life to correct the problems.

I know. You've been beating on that theory since the beginning of our exchange. You seem to have a bit of an obsession with it. What makes me unhappy is that most other people can't see what I see, nor can they follow my explanations much of the time, not enough to sway us from our folly. I feel like Cassandra much of the time, and yes, that is indeed frustrating.

I suspect that you feel it is safer to blame these problems on some person (Lincoln) or event (civil war) so remote that no one can expect you to take steps to correct the problems.

Well, except that Roe v. Wade is directly traceable to the 14th amendment. "Anchor Babies", a topic I am discussing on another thread, is also traceable directly to the 14th amendment. All "Discrimination" cases, including "Gay Marriage" are directly traceable to the 14th amendment, and the elimination of prayer and religion from government sponsored events is likewise a consequence of the 14th amendment.

Once again I will tell you that I grew up conservative, and opposed these things before I even knew how they came to be. When I started learning how things got the way they were, all roads eventually led back to the 14th amendment.

Did we not have the 14th amendment, we would not have abortion. We would not have a ban on prayer in public schools. We would not have "gay Marriage". We would not have "anchor babies", and we very likely wouldn't have a half Kenyan President Obama.

And how did we get the 14th amendment? Well that question leads right back to "THE CIVIL WAR."

You are a victim trapped in a world designed by Abraham Lincoln.

We are all currently victims trapped in a world not designed, but created inadvertently as a consequence of what Lincoln did. In human social interaction, we are in a war of competing principles. When you elevate one group of principles over another, it sometimes produces unpredictable consequences, usually bad.

Currently the liberals are pushing "Change" and "Equality" over "social norms" and "Freedom", and I for one do not see these "equalities" or these "changes" as good for society, for myself or for my family.

I think that you should face squarely the reality that neither Abraham Lincoln nor the civil war has any significant influence on your life or your happiness. I'm not sure that you can do that, though.

Yes Dr. Spock, you just keep barking up that tree. I'm sure there's a Raccoon up there somewhere.

353 posted on 08/17/2015 12:44:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Tau Food

“Lincoln’s Fault - for those times when simply blaming Bush just won’t do”


360 posted on 08/17/2015 1:34:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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