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To: DiogenesLamp
If I say so, it's only because the Founders established the principle and set the Precedent. You might look at this document called "The Declaration of Independence" which spells out the pertinent concept.

Morality was on the Founder's side, not so with the slavers.

OMG. I feel like I'm arguing with children. The Founders didn't "run their secession through" Parliament. This means such a step is unnecessary when invoking a God given right to independence.

The was no God-given right to murder those at Fort Sumter. Acts of states must be ran through the Congress as agreed to by the states in the Constitution.

Again, see the Declaration thereof. In the future, if you are going to make some inane observation, I would suggest you see if it applies to the founders first, and if it does, you need to not speak it, because it therefore makes no point useful to you.

The states agreed to the Constitution. Acts of states must be ran through the Congress.

Obviously he didn't. Had you been reading the thread with the due diligence of someone interested in learning things, you would have discovered that Lincoln had launched an Invasion by Sea, and it was a fortuitous circumstance for him that the Confederates fired on Sumter. Had they not started shooting, He was going to do so. Again, read the thread more closely.

LOL! So if the idiots surrounding Sumter had just waited there would have been an invasion? lol again!

I'm not going to finish reading your message. You've flubbed important points three times, and I figure that's enough to bother with for one message.

At least i know the difference between the Alamo and the Mexican War! lol!

609 posted on 07/30/2015 11:02:38 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Morality was on the Founder's side, not so with the slavers.

The Founders were themselves slavers. All 13 colonies were slave states. Try again. Now i'm not going to read the rest of your message. You start off a message with that sort of boner and it's just not worth the trouble of addressing the rest.

611 posted on 07/30/2015 11:13:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Still playing pilpul with the lost causer I see. It can’t be very satisfying dealing with one so obdurate.

Carry on. ;’)


624 posted on 07/30/2015 12:53:22 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
The was no God-given right to murder those at Fort Sumter.

I just noticed this. Yes, you are absolutely right. Why didn't I see this sooner? It was absolutely horrible that they murdered those people at Ft. Sumter. Yes, Lincoln was absolutely justified in sending a 35,000 man invasion force to revenge the deaths of all those people that the Confederates killed at Ft. Sumter.

It was an act of barbarism, and it should have been swiftly punished by the Army Invading Richmond, but which had no orders to free any slaves.

Yes, those Confederates really shouldn't have murdered those Union Soldiers at Ft. Sumter. They just shouldn't have done that. No siree, that was just wrong.

If they had simply blown up some rocks, but not killed anybody, that would have been one thing, but murdering those people at Ft. Sumter was just unforgivable. Once you've killed people, you deserve a vengeful response.

Yup, the Union certainly taught them that murdering people at Ft. Sumter was wrong. Had they not murdered anybody they wouldn't have needed such a harsh lesson, but because they murdered those people at Ft. Sumter, they needed hundreds of thousands of men killed, lands burned, property seized, and lives wrecked.

If only they hadn't murdered those people at Ft. Sumter.

654 posted on 07/30/2015 4:08:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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