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To: central_va

Government by consent.


429 posted on 07/07/2015 8:57:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Polling: The dark art of .turning a liberal agenda into political reality.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So if a state has a referendum and votes to secede then is that government by consent?


430 posted on 07/07/2015 9:11:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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There is nothing in the US Constitution that allows states to secede at will. Section 10 clearly prohibits states from negotiating their own trade agreements, waging war, etc. The 10th amendment delegates all powers not given to the Federal Government to the states, it says nothing about the right to secede at will. I'm not familiar with the terms under which Texas entered the union, perhaps it's an exception based on the terms of the annexation.

I don't blame Lincoln for putting down the rebellion once the Confederate states seceded, nor do I buy the argument that putting down secession is in any way illegal or unconstitutional. I blame Lincoln (and even more so the radical abolitionists of the time)for allowing relations between northern and southern states to fester to the point that the southern states were backed into a corner and forced (in their opinion) into what was ultimately illegal acts of secession. Most of the disagreements between north and south could have been negotiated by a more adept and competent and less ideological government at the time.

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or CONFEDERATION; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

433 posted on 07/07/2015 9:25:01 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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