Posted on 06/14/2015 8:00:04 AM PDT by don-o
Four weeks after the deadly Twin Peaks shooting melee that left nine bikers dead, 177 others in jail with million-dollar bonds and way more questions than answers about biker subculture, due process in Waco and conflicting crime narratives, the two sides in all this are only hardening in their positions. In short, a microcosm of the American way.
Some vigorously support local law enforcement. They say the facts that bikers came to Waco’s Twin Peaks restaurant well-armed and that search warrants reveal many wore colors of motorcycle gangs associated by the FBI and Texas Department of Public Safety with criminal activity, organized and otherwise, justifies the bikers’ incarceration and high bonds.
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The Trib may well have to revise its own estimation that the Twin Peaks dustup won’t leave a stigma attached to Waco such as that spawned by the 51-day Branch Davidian siege of 1993, which sparked wild conspiracy theories while leaving Waco with a black eye that had only recently begun to disappear. With legal questions revolving around interpretations of the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth and Eighth amendments — including the right to wear motorcycle gang colors if you so choose — there’s enough constitutional grist in this complicated saga to keep state and federal courts busy for years. And that’s allowing also for a conspiracy theory or two. It’s the American way.
(Excerpt) Read more at wacotrib.com ...
One thing is for sure. If the autopsies come back with only 12 police bullets involved you will claim it’s a conspiracy.
Obviously not.
There’s been a lot of hair-trigger-snark going on lately on FR. I’m not sure why. I would like to see it toned down and thought and logic used instead. But, that’s just me.
This particular subject really brings it out. WackoPD should be a little more forth coming with information. I suspect some serious interrogations are happening behind the scenes.
“62 individuals were released without any charges being filed.”
I wonder how many of those were employees of the two restaurants and other shoppers in the area?
Thanks Don-O for keeping us posted on the latest.
“Poster ignored.”
Yep, another one who just does not get it.
Big ideas confound little minds, I guess.
But not so damned short that they'd do something so stupid as to show up at a gig like this meeting and start a territorial shootout. Not even the dumbest dumb-ass hood.
Or I don't know my biker subculture, and I do.
The fact that only one third of the 177 arrested even had a criminal record is enough to tell you all you need to know as to the legitimacy of this.
There are a whole lotta gullible Americans who are being set up in a divide-and-conquer operation. Remember that 800,000 to 1.2 million Americans on Harleys thundered through Washington, D.C. on 9//11/13. You had better believe it put the fear of God into a lot of politicians.
Patches, smatches -- the whole official Waco narrative is wholesale horse puckey. WHOLESALE. All you need to know to spot it, is that only a third even had records. ANY bad-ass biker or wannabee bad-ass biker under the age of 23 has a record. A lot of good-ol-boy red-blooded American patriot adventurers who love and ride Harleys have records. A lot of them don't.
This Waco thing is profoundly disturbing on many levels. Americans are being turned against each other by being fed propaganda and pressured to tremble in fear at being called a "conspiracy theorist" for putting pieces together and dialing in on a completely different picture.
{^) Stop!! Yer killin' me! {^)
You like your information spoon-fed, don't you? Baby-food news is what you've been eating if you really think the weapons collected represented "armed to the teeth" among a collection of 177 Harley riders in Texas.
Yep. And law enforcement -- a catch-all term ranging from local cops to Feds -- has a willing and crucial accomplice in this. It's just like the MSM to tell you about the number and classification of weapons seized, but to forget to include the little detail that it included totally legal firearms, watch chains, "legal" pocket knives, repair tools/widgets, and even fingernail clippers. The MSM barely mentioned that tidbit.
Just like in 2013, they forgot to mention that the "Thousands of bikers converge on Washington, D.C." were, according to crowd estimates, between 800,000 and 1.2 million. As in "Hundreds of thousands." The MSM forgot to mention that until way down in the story.
Don-o probably won't, but I will.
Bandit, wake up. You're being used. OPEN YOUR EYES and accept the truth here -- you are swallowing the fiction that a lethal gang of bad-ass criminal bikers had chosen that place and that spot, a pre-publicized regular meeting of Texas clubs and independents who owned/ride Harley Davidsons with joy and pride (you mean to tell me you don't have a few dozen in your own life?? You're American???) to discuss legislative issues, on a Sunday brunch hour, indulged in this? Really???? Do you believe in Santa Claus, too?
The facts, one by one, which take time to assemble, and my just summarizing them for you here will not satisfy you yet you refuse to factor them in, such as the fact that only a third of those arrested have criminal records -- that is ALL you need to know, by the way -- and you just swallow, gulp, guzzle, the baby-food spoon-fed MSM narrative, mindlessly. When you look at the facts -- well, you haven't. If this isn't a conspiracy of some sort, then I don't know what you mean by "conspiracy." You are either as gullible as a kindergartner, or ... something worse, a traitor. I don't know which.
I am wide awake. This fight was a d$&k measuring contest between two groups of people that are criminals. It wasn’t some conspiracy by the police, it was bikers playing with guns. When you do that the police are bound to show up. 16 police and DPS officer, with only 3 firing, a total of 12 rounds is hardly indiscriminate fire. Until the other 32 rounds are accounted for don’t tell me to wake up.
As far as being spoon fed, almost all of the “facts” posted by you and your proconspiracy friends all come from theconservativetree and a Bandido lawyer. Referencing wire service articles that don’t say anything close to the conclusions of your favorite blogger is not a sound way to back up your theories.
Finny is correct to be concerned about conspiracy. This is a test case using a generally unpopular group of people Shame on our conservative leaders for not taking a closer interest in what is happening here.
Once upon a time citizens could speak freely...nowadays friends on telephone calls say they would prefer carrying on conversations privately or do not want to speak on the phone in case someone is listening in and their words used against us.
Nowadays, you do not have to have committed a crime, you just have to be someone the government does not like to have them target you and find a crime that they can Jerry rig to criminalize you, not because of what you do but what you think.
Nowadays, you can be fired out of your job because of what you say, not because of your job performance.
Now there are mass arrests based on who you are or who you are affiliated with, not what you actually do.
This is being drawn out way past its time. Wake up, folks, the coffee is cold and old.
>>> Yep. And law enforcement — a catch-all term ranging from local cops to Feds — has a willing and crucial accomplice in this. It’s just like the MSM to tell you about the number and classification of weapons seized, but to forget to include the little detail that it included totally legal firearms, watch chains, “legal” pocket knives, repair tools/widgets, and even fingernail clippers. The MSM barely mentioned that tidbit. <<<
This is an issue I’ve been going on about through most of these threads: that there are a lot of folks in jail for legal concealed carry as well as possession of things not normally considered weapons.
Also, there are a large number of ‘weapons’ seized from vehicles (including 12 rifles and shotguns) that played no part in the melee but are counted by the cops as ‘weapons’ to make the totals bigger and scarier.
Hell, I think the Waco cops would count a kid’s cap gun as an ‘explosive device’ just to add a little more spin.
The point is that this whole ‘weapons’ thing is where the most obvious misdirection is taking place and the most proof that there’s something bad going on in Waco.
FALSE.
That is ludicrous on its face, as a keyword search for waco will bring up multiple sources of the threads that have been posted.
How much time have you really spent reading the actual reporting - the articles. Or do you simply read a sentence or two and start slinging?
Is there NOTHING about this matter that raises even the tiniest concern?
Well, there is a first time for everything. And I better stop commenting now.
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