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To: MHGinTN
John Fletcher uses the term 'dispensations' as well, but that doesn't mean that that 1700s-era Anglican Methodist was a premillennial dispensationalist.

Also, as to Matthew 24, Darby's Synopsis of the New Testament says of it that it specifically refers to "the last days, the last three years and a half before the judgment which will be suddenly poured out at the coming of the Son of man"--the dispensationalist's tribulation--and that Jesus will "gather all the elect of Israel from the four corners of the earth" before Jesus gathers the Gentiles together too. Sounds like Darby is using it as a prooftext for a post-tribulation rapture, to me. Likewise, websites like PreWrathRapture.com say that the idea of a 'pre-wrath' rapture depends on their interpretation of Matthew 24.

117 posted on 06/14/2015 1:00:11 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian
Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 do not pre-figure the Rapture of the Church. In the Church Age there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile. Jesus in the Olivet Discourse answered the specific question asked of Him by His Jewish Disciples, regarding the Temple and Jerusalem, possibly because they were still trying to fathom how the throne of David would be accomplished if this great city is destroyed.

We can reason this because the Discourse starts with them pointing to the Temple and the magnificence of Jerusalem and Jesus responds to this specific focus. In the Rapture passages, God offers to the believers a comforting prophecy, not to assure them they will not be persecuted, but to assure them that they have not missed the Departing of the Bride before THE WRATH of God is poured out upon the lawlessness.

119 posted on 06/14/2015 1:10:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: The Grammarian
"... that Jesus will "gather all the elect of Israel from the four corners of the earth" before Jesus gathers the Gentiles together too." This cannot be referring to the Church since during the Church Age there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile. Likewise the separating of sheep and goats has nothing to do with The Church. When Jesus comes back to set foot on the Earth, his elect come with Him down from Heaven. The elect have to be taken into Heaven before the Second touch down don'tchaknow. If they are taken away anytime after the Tribulation begins then this would violate the clear Biblical doctrine of immanency, which omits there being any signs of the event to occur. The parables Jesus gave, like the one of the virgins and the oil in their lamps, support the snatching away suddenly.
120 posted on 06/14/2015 1:15:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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