Posted on 05/22/2015 8:18:12 PM PDT by TexasTransplant
I am looking for a Youtube from a Dr that was hawking his books about ISLAM and he had a few Youtube vids that spelled out exactly what ISLAM is and the Koran is described as 3 separate Korans (only one I remember is the Medina Koran)
I meant to save it and search as I may I can't find it
Islam nowadays is crypto Marxist. The Iranian model of state assured sex providing is very similar to The Sandra Fluke program.
check Minute Marriage by Mother Jones. iranian islamism is like a cousin of the Alinsky branch of sexual revolution.
I think all this crap is KGB language.
Islam and crime gangs are similar in many ways. Members give up civilization and adopt a primitive culture based on "respect" and "honor" despite being lowlifes that do not deserve any. They have their own system of laws and regulations (sharia) and taboos. They have codes of appearance (neck tattoos, ridiculous beards, etc) and dress codes that make them look ridiculous and unemployable, so they make a living through drug dealing and other crime. Both gangs and muslims demand "respect" from infidels and, when that respect is not shown, they can get pretty violent. Certain criminal groups like the HA have a particular fascination with bombs, just like muslims, and, in fact, some members grow their beards in the same stupid mohammed style as muslims do.
The idea that Islam is not a religion is based on the rather silly notion that religions are all good, kind and gentle. Therefore the problem is that those making this claim misdefine the word religion.
"That word you keep using, I do not think it means what you think it means."
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience
Islam meets all those definitions except #4 perfectly.
I suspect the three divisions you refer to were:
The suras from the period before he fled from Mecca, when he was a despised kook on the fringes of society.
Those from Medina, where he became a ruler and warlord.
Those from after his return to Mecca, when he was a conqueror.
This is the best introduction to Islam i have seen:
Introduction to Islam Dr. Tony Costa
Introduction to Islam with Dr. Tony Costa (facebook page other video's)
This was very good and funny. by Dr Wood. How the qur'an was made:
The Original Burn the Quran Day
Easy to read qur'an by Dr Bill Warner:
Bill Warner - A Taste of Islam
Technically Islam a religion but primarily it's an ideology.
A distinction without a difference.
All religions are ideologies.
Ideology: the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
Religions are a subset of ideologies.
The idea that Islam is not a religion is based on the Christian idea of “Give unto Caesar,” implying a separation between religion and the rest of life.
Islam does not recognize that separation. It is a complete way of life.
It’s entirely accurate to say that it’s more than a religion, by western civ definitions. But it’s not accurate to say that because it incorporates aspects that we don’t normally consider religious it ceases to be a religion.
Your argument consists entirely of an unsupported assumption that a religion that teaches people to do bad things isn't a religion? Which is kind of silly. Where is it written that a religion cannot be evil?
Let's assume a religion that worships Satan, and views all evil deeds as devotional. There have been individuals and perhaps small groups with such beliefs. Is it not a religion?
Your list is also presented from your POV. One I agree with, BTW. But from an Islamist perspective, your list of crimes committed in the name of Islam is not viewed as such. They're viewed as meritorious deeds.
That isn't exactly correct. The more peaceful verses are abrogated but they're not forgotten. This is important that means peaceful versus and Medina verses (evil verses) are both true but the medina verses are more true.
This allows Muslims to state peaceful versions of the Qur'an to get people to believe in Islam and they wouldn't be lying.
I would suggest not to learn it the way Bill Warner suggests its a bit confusing to say there is three(peaceful, defensive and offensive.) I would suggest going with Mecca(peaceful) and Medina (defensive and offensive) verses.
Qur'an 2 106:
"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Qur'an 2 106
Its a death cult, if that can be called a religion.
But, all this takes is a constitutional Amendment: “Islam is not a religion under U.S. Law”
Once it is unprotected by the First Amendment, its teachings are criminal, its advocacy seditious, and its adherents organized crime participants.
Islam isn’t a guide it’s specific instructions that must be followed to the letter. This makes it a social order which is political in nature. It’s not like any other religion or ideology on the planet. Not even similar.
Islam dictates that a moslem must spit out of the window a certain number of times every morning upon waking up. It's probably something mohammed used to do.
When you are forced to a religion by death this is not a religion it is a military tactic of fear
Again, you are predefining religion and politics as inherently separate spheres of life. Islam doesn’t do that. My whole point is that a religion does not cease to be such because it also incorporates other aspects of life.
That Islam “isn’t like other religions,” which is not necessarily even true, is irrelevant even if it is.
“Not like other religions.” Early Mormonism was a pretty comprehensive way of life. So is the Amish faith today. Not much in their lives is “outside religion.” Jim Jones and his cult were a religion. Just a really negative one.
From a practical standpoint, defining Islam as legally “not a religion” would require empowering some government agency or court to define which groups qualify as religions. That would be a cure far worse than the disease of having to accept Islam as a religion under 1A.
Here’s a hilarious takedown of Shia Islam and multiculturalism, by the great Steyn.
http://www.steynonline.com/1516/the-shagged-sheep
This would be the worst case scenario on how to deal with Islam.
I would agree with this law if all peaceful ways of dealing with them fails. Which unfortunately means some nukes will have to be set off before that day comes.
At that point we could take over mecca and not allow any Muslims in Mecca. Officially by their own laws would make all Muslims Kafirs in a few generations. Which they can't change that law.
The peaceful way to deal with them would be to set new trade deals with Oil based countries to allow apostates to lave Islam. It would be a long term solution that would take many generations but it would work. As that trade deal is set up in Indonesia (in the late 60's) and 2 million Muslims are leaving per year.
Jim Jones was an atheists.
More technically, religion is the method of worshiping God.
While it is possible to remain in fellowship while practicing a religion, many fall out of fellowship by placing a religion before God.
The Adversary seeks for others to worship him as a substitute for God, so their are many false religions, such as Islam.
It isn’t sinful to be religious, but many who are religious, never have fellowship with God. Religion to those people becomes a counterfeit substitute for that relationship.
This does not change the fact that his organization was set up and run as a religion.
There are a number of arguably atheistic “religions,” notably including Scientology and Mahayana Buddhism.
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