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To: loungitude
I just don't see that. When shot hits at an angle, they will leave "skid" marks, these appear to me dang near head-on. that thing was sawed off and if you've ever seen what those do, the pattern expands almost out of control immediately. This was REAL close and if it were a normal 12 or 16 load, there is NO way that little bit of material could stop it like that... metal or otherwise. I don't know if even kevlar that thin would stop it.

I am just having trouble believing what I am seeing that's all. maybe the powder was wet or something and just puked it's way out the muzzle...

23 posted on 05/22/2015 5:49:37 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: FunkyZero

Phones are made out of some tough materials. I suspect that due to the angle of the strike, the phone slid across the pocket/shirt/body, thereby not causing skidding of the shot on the phone, but instead slid the phone across the victim’s body, spreading the impact energy across a larger area. And, as I think that you or another poster speculated, the victim may have been wearing a heavy (leather or other) jacket.


25 posted on 05/22/2015 5:58:32 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: FunkyZero

It isn’t that fast an expansion, apparently, and I’d bet the muzzle was close. Short barrels will at some point actually have a lower muzzle velocity because the projectile doesn’t have enough run in the barrel to take advantage of the expanding gasses from the burning propellant. Some of the powder charge is wasted as muzzle flash.


38 posted on 05/22/2015 8:13:19 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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